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Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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It's a shame, but running back to an untenable arrangement just because many of us miss it is naive.
Its not our fault. tu is the rivalry killer. They killed the Arky rivalry out of spite. They ended our rivalry for the LHN basically. They ran off OU's other big rival. It is what they do.
Heck if anything our move to the SEC is because WE RESPECT TRADITION. They don't, they respect the dollar. So we are starting over in a place with shared values.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:49 pm to TbirdSpur2010
They just ran it again. Now it is just getting under my nerves
Now you lost me.
For a "product" to exist, you must continue to keep making it. What you describe in not a product but an emotion, and like old lovers, fade quickly with time. I grew up in an era of Nebraska vs Oklahoma and Arkansas vs Texas (the state). My siblings kids have fuzzy opinions on Nebraska vs Oklahoma and even with a family place in Arkansas they are 100% Arkansas = SEC. They think when I speak of old games with Texas schools I am getting senile.
The baby boomers probably have the biggest connection with the rivalry and in a decade most will be dead or in assisted living. In that same decade a new generation will have memories only of the SEC. Take that out to 20 years and that "product" will be mostly gone the same way. If a child was 6 in 1992 that would give them a birthday in 1986. This means if you are on the Rant and born in 1986 or later you do nor remember a SWC personally (where memories are much stronger) and if say 8, 10, or 12 is your starting age then you see how quickly that wipes out years of SWC memories.
If kids today have no clue about anything not on wikipedia and do not spend the time with parents and grandparents that my generation did, your "product" will disappear far quicker than you seem to think. I remember the good old days of 12 SEC member schools that included Georgia Tech and Tulane. You would be amazed how quickly rivals die when they stop playing.
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The rivalry exists whether we're playing on the gridiron or not. Ergo, the "product" does indeed exist.
Now you lost me.
For a "product" to exist, you must continue to keep making it. What you describe in not a product but an emotion, and like old lovers, fade quickly with time. I grew up in an era of Nebraska vs Oklahoma and Arkansas vs Texas (the state). My siblings kids have fuzzy opinions on Nebraska vs Oklahoma and even with a family place in Arkansas they are 100% Arkansas = SEC. They think when I speak of old games with Texas schools I am getting senile.
The baby boomers probably have the biggest connection with the rivalry and in a decade most will be dead or in assisted living. In that same decade a new generation will have memories only of the SEC. Take that out to 20 years and that "product" will be mostly gone the same way. If a child was 6 in 1992 that would give them a birthday in 1986. This means if you are on the Rant and born in 1986 or later you do nor remember a SWC personally (where memories are much stronger) and if say 8, 10, or 12 is your starting age then you see how quickly that wipes out years of SWC memories.
If kids today have no clue about anything not on wikipedia and do not spend the time with parents and grandparents that my generation did, your "product" will disappear far quicker than you seem to think. I remember the good old days of 12 SEC member schools that included Georgia Tech and Tulane. You would be amazed how quickly rivals die when they stop playing.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:03 pm to Cheese Grits
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I grew up in an era of Nebraska vs Oklahoma and Arkansas vs Texas (the state).
Those fans don't live in large numbers around each other every day. The rivalry is about much more than just the football game.
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I remember the good old days of 12 SEC member schools that included Georgia Tech and Tulane. You would be amazed how quickly rivals die when they stop playing.
It will never die even if we never play another game. Do you think Auburn and Alabama stopped hating each other when they didn't play for 30 years or whatever?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:04 pm to Cheese Grits
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They just ran it again. Now it is just getting under my nerves
Calm yourself.
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Now you lost me.
If kids today have no clue about anything not on wikipedia and do not spend the time with parents and grandparents that my generation did, your "product" will disappear far quicker than you seem to think.
Not as long as we are fierce recruiting rivals at the Texas flagship institutions in close proximity. This isn't Arkansas/Texas or Nebraska/OU.
The nature of the rivalry will change, and as a matter of course have less to do with bragging rights on the field against each other, but that's about it. Neither school is de-emphasizing the sport and will continue to compete for the same pool of students and players.
I'm sorry, but you are woefully incorrect about the nature of the a&m/texas rivalry and the realities of marketing. Not trying to be mean, but this is my wheelhouse.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:49 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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but this is my wheelhouse
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:53 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Do you think Auburn and Alabama stopped hating each other when they didn't play for 30 years or whatever?
Yes, if both were in different conferences and both never played each other again. Over time the "hate" would dissipate. What I said about firsthand vs secondhand is very real. It is, I suspect, a reason for falling attendance at games. Say you have 2 groups :
Group A = Attends live games with intergenerational mix of shared experience
Group B = Never attends live games and only connected via TV or other social media
Most first generation memory (live events) are the strongest and part may be heightened senses and may be more senses used at the time. TV's only transmit what the camera want you to see and only the sounds the mike wants you to hear. At a live game you can feel the sun on your face, smell the woman sitting next to you, and taste unique foods you may never experience at home. In addition you control what you choose to see and hear. By default this means you are more engaged and this leads to more data points assimilated into your short term and long term memories.
The farther you go, the weaker the links and the quicker the disconnect. You can doubt this, but over time you will probably come to a age point in your life where I am now and see exactly what I mean. In a single generation we went from a single household income earner working a single job and supporting a house, car, wife, 3 kids, multiple pets, and all kinds of other expenses. Now to work that equation you are probably fast approaching the 1% you hear about in the media.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:12 pm to Cheese Grits
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if both were in different conferences and both never played each other again. Over time the "hate" would dissipate.
You ignored his question by attempting to reframe it.
When you have two football/academic flagships in close proximity competing for the same recruits and students and sporting giant alumni networks who work alongside each other all their lives in the state, the rivalry won't diminish, just change in nature from on field bragging rights to comparing results.
A&M/texas is an unconventional rivalry. Always has been.
Which is why your anecdotes cannot be fully applied here, IMO.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 12:14 am to Cheese Grits
Three things need to happen for us to ever play them again:
1. They need to hit rock bottom as an athletic department ... They're headed that way pretty fast.
2. They need a massive turnover in the leadership of their athletic department.
3. They need to get back on top in football at a time when we are on top also.
Then, I'd be ready to play an OOC game.
1. They need to hit rock bottom as an athletic department ... They're headed that way pretty fast.
2. They need a massive turnover in the leadership of their athletic department.
3. They need to get back on top in football at a time when we are on top also.
Then, I'd be ready to play an OOC game.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 6:09 am to Old Sarge
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a troll although I have my serious doubts about Shadow
Serious doubts? Seriously? I know everyone a troll until proven otherwise, but I wouldn't even know how to go about it. That's why try to avoid the rant.
I don't buy the groupthink that the game would only benefit them,and all y'all are going to do is run folks off saying you have to be a troll or idiot to think otherwise.
Resuming that game has definite benefits for us, and I don't give a shite if it benefits them, too. I understand y'all's position, but I disagree with it. It's been nearly 10 years since I lived in God's country, so that prob affects my opinion.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 6:24 am to Pilgrim Shadow
It wouldn't benefit us at all. You haven't created a logical argument otherwise. You are being called a troll because only a troll or an idiot can't see how all the benefit would be UT's.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 6:38 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I understand. He's not the only Ag with connections to both schools, though. And of course that doesn't change the fact that resuming the rivalry would be detrimental for A&M. Hell, I wish we still played Baylor for similar reasons, but life isn't perfect.
Far from it. My wife got her doctorate from UT (not t.u., that's childish and it makes us look stupid when y'all type or say that) and I live close enough that I can see the tower from the end of my street. (My neighbor is also an Aggie though!) I could walk to games when we play here and stay at my parents', who've retired near CS, when the games are in CS. It would be convenient and a lot of fun for me. That doesn't change the fact that, right now, UT only wants to play us again in order to knock off the shine we have and take back recruiting by saying "we're still daddy". A&M beating UT right now would be nothing but an affirmation of the status quo and wouldn't add any luster to A&M. By right now I mean present day plus about 8-10 years, because Charlie will get 3-4 before getting fired and the next coach will have a truly empty cupboard so he'll get 4 at least.,
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 6:44 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 6:45 am to Pilgrim Shadow
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Resuming that game has definite benefits for us, and I don't give a shite if it benefits them, too.
There's the rub. Our benefits will be minuscule compared to the ones they will reap, as things currently stand.
I'm not calling you a troll or trying to run you off--none of us has the clout to actually affect things either way, regardless of how strongly we feel about the matter. However, I don't believe the reasoning behind bringing the game back ASAP is born of what's best for TAMU.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 7:39 am to Cooter Davenport
bullshite. You benefit in every way from beating your rival on the field. That is logical, and it was one of my first points. We can disagree without the ad hominem attacks that get us no where.
If the series was never cancelled, we would be in the middle of a stretch where we dominate it. Obviously, it's college football, and anything can happen. But even in our series, the favored team wins the majority of the time. You can't tell me that beating them 4 of 5 or 7 of 9 doesn't benefit us vis a vis them, much less at all.
If the series was never cancelled, we would be in the middle of a stretch where we dominate it. Obviously, it's college football, and anything can happen. But even in our series, the favored team wins the majority of the time. You can't tell me that beating them 4 of 5 or 7 of 9 doesn't benefit us vis a vis them, much less at all.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 7:40 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 7:47 am to Cheese Grits
frick them. They can shove the game up their arse
Posted on 10/9/14 at 7:54 am to Pilgrim Shadow
It's just not true Shadow, no matter how many times you say it. Playing them does nothing for us right now. We gain nothing...not exposure, not money, not fan interest. They are bad, their recruiting is bad, their coaching is bad, their strength of schedule is horrendous, their fans are still obnoxious.
Oh, and T-bird wasn't being too serious above, watch how you talk to him....he really can kick people out of here if he wants. He is in charge.
Oh, and T-bird wasn't being too serious above, watch how you talk to him....he really can kick people out of here if he wants. He is in charge.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:06 am to Old Sarge
I wasn't talking to T-bird. I may not post much, but I have figured out the post reply button.
And we do gain exposure. Another national game is a boost to national exposure, and no matter how bad they are, the game will have national interest. You can argue we already get enough, and it's not worth the hassle, but that's different.
And being humiliated on the national scene further hurts their recruiting and image. It's one thing to read about a program going down. It's another to see it live.
And we do gain exposure. Another national game is a boost to national exposure, and no matter how bad they are, the game will have national interest. You can argue we already get enough, and it's not worth the hassle, but that's different.
And being humiliated on the national scene further hurts their recruiting and image. It's one thing to read about a program going down. It's another to see it live.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:10 am to Pilgrim Shadow
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You can't tell me that beating them 4 of 5 or 7 of 9 doesn't benefit us vis a vis them, much less at all.
I definitely can tell you that. You are hopelessly naive. Beating them right now would for nothing for us. Why? Because their recruiting, coaching, talent level, fan support and mojo are all down right now. The way the public and recruits would view that is "aww UT is just down and A&M is beating them while they can but UT will be back to take its rightful place." See how that's spun? Not as an Aggie win, but as a UT loss, and due to a special circumstance at that. But any time WE lost, UT's victory would be trumpeted to the moon as "A&M and the SEC are over-rated, UT re-asserts position of dominance" and it would help speed up their climb out of the gutter. Why help them? Let them ROT.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 8:11 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:23 am to Cooter Davenport
I know what you're saying, especially coming from Austin. I don't see that dynamic working going forward, now that we are in the SEC. We used to see that when all of our games were either local or in the prairie wastelands up north. The game was often on national tv, but usually only Texans had an interest in it beyond the draw of a good rivalry game. Now, that game would matter to folks across the southeast and, most years, across the country. It's much harder to spin things when outsiders are forming their own opinions.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:55 am to Pilgrim Shadow
Again, I do not agree that "exposure" and other measures of economic interest should be the only metric for evaluating this question, but ...
OOC game with Lamar, Rice, SMU or Louisiana-Monroe does not find its way to national TV.
OOC game against the 'sips will find its way to national TV, for years to come, regardless of how much the 'sips suck.
Sure, that national exposure will arguably help the 'sips, but it helps us, too.
Isn't "national TV exposure" the very essence of the "brand" mentality?
OOC game with Lamar, Rice, SMU or Louisiana-Monroe does not find its way to national TV.
OOC game against the 'sips will find its way to national TV, for years to come, regardless of how much the 'sips suck.
Sure, that national exposure will arguably help the 'sips, but it helps us, too.
Isn't "national TV exposure" the very essence of the "brand" mentality?
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:58 am to TbirdSpur2010
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There's the rub. Our benefits will be minuscule compared to the ones they will reap, as things currently stand.
I'm not calling you a troll or trying to run you off--none of us has the clout to actually affect things either way, regardless of how strongly we feel about the matter. However, I don't believe the reasoning behind bringing the game back ASAP is born of what's best for TAMU.
This ain't a zero sum game. What's best for TAMU could also be a benefit to tu. In that case, I'm not opposed to it. I want to see them suffer, but TAMU comes first for me.
I still don't think getting beat on national tv is to their benefit. I've seen big name programs lose on national tv, and everyone piles on. It only helps them if they win, and I don't see that happening now.
I also think you're undervaluing the benefit to our program, which is why we disagree. But make no mistake about it, my desires are born of what I believe to be in the best interest of TAMU.
I'll leave it at that. I know this topic gets kicked around too often, but it bothers me when the minority viewpoint gets dismissed as nonsense and its adherents as idiots.
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