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Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:18 pm to Old Sarge
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:18 pm to Old Sarge
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I know very few Ags between 30 and 60 that want to ever play them again outside of a bowl game.
Sarge, my experience differs from yours. I converse regularly with folks from my graduating class ('86, whoop), and I would estimate that maybe 10% or 15% share your feelings.
I have about a dozen first cousins who attended TAMU, and all but one want to see the series resume.
Sure, it is possible that my circle of friends and family is outside the norm. That is why I would be interested in a valid poll.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:22 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Donations, which we demolished the record for the first year we stopped playing them. So you can probably understand why they think it's not that important
Shane, did you ever take a statistics class? Are you familiar with the axiom that "correlation does not equal causation?"
The increase in donations arises from the move to the SEC and to the concomitant increase in visibility of our program.
I rather doubt that any donor would say "I am donating more money now specifically because we no longer play football against the Longhorns."
I suspect that almost all would make some mention of the move to the SEC.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:25 pm to AggieHank86
And you made the inference that money donations would suffer since so many older ags want to play the game and since the school isn't satisfying their wishes, their donations would either cease or would decrease. That has not happened at all. The exact opposite has happened
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
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The increase in donations arises from the move to the SEC and to the concomitant increase in visibility of our program.
And the move to the SEC did away with the game. We are thriving as a program in every way right now because of it. What would we gain from playing them again aside from possibly pleasing a few older donors like yourself and getting some extra money?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:29 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I have no doubt that this is true of you. No disrespect, but you don't have the history. As I recall, you were not even an Aggie fan until a few years ago. Didn't you say that you grew up in California and supported UCLA or something? If I am confusing you with another poster, I apologize.
People in my age group are already done with the game
Without a lifetime of history, I can see it being quite easy for you to dismiss the series as unimportant.
In any case, I would be curious about the younger posters who DO have a lifelong history as Aggies.
For example, I seem to recall that CokeBottleAg is about your age. I also seem to recall that his/her (don't know the sex) Dad was in the Corps, meaning that CBA was probably immersed in the rivalry from birth.
I am actually curious whether younger Ags in this category align more closely with your thoughts (and those of your friends) or with my thoughts (and those of my friends and family).
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:this is true, and every single one of my friends from school is from Texas and they all either don't care if it comes back, or don't want it to come back
No disrespect, but you don't have the history. As I recall, you were not even an Aggie fan until a few years ago. Didn't you say that you grew up in California and supported UCLA or something
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:33 pm to WestCoastAg
I can also say the posters here in my age group, a good amount of our regular posters, feel the same as well
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:33 pm to WestCoastAg
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you made the inference that money donations would suffer since so many older ags want to play the game
WCA, I implied nothing of the sort. You may have chosen to draw that inference.
I doubt that any older Ag is going to withhold donations because we are not playing the 'horns. It does seem possible, however, that some might do more-still, if that rivalry were to resume.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:36 pm to AggieHank86
Could we possibly get a couple more donors? Sure. Could we also possibly lose donors who don't want the game to come back? Yep
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:40 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Again, I have no reason to doubt you.
every single one of my friends from school is from Texas
I am curious, however, whether those friends have any greater history with TAMU than you. Being born or growing up in the state is not particularly relevant to the discussion, if your acquaintances did not become Aggies until three years ago.
If mom and dad went to Baylor and SMU and they attended TAMU due to the "Top Ten Percent" rule, they would not even have enrolled until it had already been announced that the rivalry was about to go on hiatus. Hard to care about a game that already meant nothing before you ever attended Fish Camp or your first class.
How many of the classmates with whom you stay in contact are second or third generation Former Students? Personally, I am third-generation. My daughters will be fourth-generation.
Of those folks, do THEIR opinions coincide with yours or with mine?
I am genuinely curious.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:43 pm to AggieHank86
I have several friends who are third and fourth generation Aggies. My roommate throughout college was fourth generation and had two grandfathers who were long tenured professors. He does not care at all if it comes back, and most of my friends (75-80%) feel the same way.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:44 pm to AggieHank86
quote:around half. Probably around 3/5ths
How many of the classmates with whom you stay in contact are second or third generation Former Students?
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:45 pm to WestCoastAg
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Could we possibly get a couple more donors? Sure. Could we also possibly lose donors who don't want the game to come back? Yep
I believe the negative backlash would be far greater than the impact of pleasing a few over 60. The idea of helping the horns climb back to relevance by giving them an annual Super Bowl against an in state SEC team is beyond crazy to most.
The ones that want it back are generally not in touch with football programs in general and this is the only game they cared about all year long their whole lives. They aren't fans of the A&M program but fans if the one game. I get it, it's even understandable but these casual fans who are oblivious to the true nature and impact of this game in the state of affairs in Texas college football, are not significant donors or season ticket holders anyway.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:54 pm to AggieHank86
I'm class of '05, had no affiliation with the university prior to attending, and I want to see the game back. Maybe it's because we were 0'fer against them when I was at A&M, but I'd be lying if I denied thoroughly enjoying every victory over them I've seen since. Part of me feels robbed that we missed out on the beatings we surely would have laid on them the past couple of years.
You can call that whatever you want, but as far as I'm concerned, college football is for entertainment purposes only. Beating them means a full year of amusement at their expense. The overall entertainment of an SEC schedule far outweighs that one game, of course, but I'd take both over either/or.
IMHO, every team needs at least one in-state bitter rivalry game. Too many is a problem, which is what we had, but you have to have a rival fanbase you live and work with to make things interesting. We humiliated South Carolina. That's nice and all, but I don't know any gamecocks to tease about it.
We can bash the sips about the abysmal state of their program without playing them, of course, but it's just not the same. There's nothing to lose when the teams don't play each other.
You can call that whatever you want, but as far as I'm concerned, college football is for entertainment purposes only. Beating them means a full year of amusement at their expense. The overall entertainment of an SEC schedule far outweighs that one game, of course, but I'd take both over either/or.
IMHO, every team needs at least one in-state bitter rivalry game. Too many is a problem, which is what we had, but you have to have a rival fanbase you live and work with to make things interesting. We humiliated South Carolina. That's nice and all, but I don't know any gamecocks to tease about it.
We can bash the sips about the abysmal state of their program without playing them, of course, but it's just not the same. There's nothing to lose when the teams don't play each other.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:01 pm to Old Sarge
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I believe the negative backlash would be far greater than the impact of pleasing a few over 60
I am not going to argue with your assertion that only people almost a generation older than me care about this issue. It would seem self-evident that this is not the case.
It would also be silly to argue with your assertion that only "one game fans" care about the issue. I rather doubt that there exists any empirical evidence on the point, and you have obviously interpreted the anecdotal evidence differently than I.
I would, however, observe that those who wish to see the rivalry die seem to see "football success" as being the only metric by which to evaluate the decision. "Does it help us win games?"
Did you participate in Elephant Walk? I did, and I do not think it helped the football program one iota. But it is an important Aggie tradition.
How many Musters have you attended? I have attended about 80% since I graduated, and I do not think that my attendance helped the football program very much.
How many Silver Taps did you attend while you were a student? I attended probably a bit more than half, and I am embarrassed that the number is so low. I doubt my attendance had any effect upon the football program.
Did you participate in Cut or in Stack? I did both, and I rather doubt that either had much bearing on the Thanksgiving game.
The t.u. game is tradition ... and an important one, in my opinion. Besides, pretending that there is not another prominent football program in our own State is rather childish.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:19 pm to AggieHank86
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Hell, the folks running the show are not even Aggies.
Thank freaking God. I think that is why our brand finally is being treated properly. Us naturally left-brained Aggies drove it into a ditch and it is taking outsiders like Cook to dig us out.
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Without a lifetime of history, I can see it being quite easy for you to dismiss the series as unimportant.
Yeah, but even many of those WITH the history dismiss it.
I had RC Slocum directly tell me that he coached that game more than any person alive and even HE thinks they benefit more from it starting up again than we do. So screw it.
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I would, however, observe that those who wish to see the rivalry die seem to see "football success" as being the only metric by which to evaluate the decision. "Does it help us win games?"
The problem with your example Hank is unlike the tu game all those other traditions CAN'T hurt the program if they exist or not. Silver Taps or Muster going or staying won't win or lose a single game, but if we slipped up and lost a game directly to Charlie this year we would flush all the recruiting momentum down the toilet.
I think at some point we have to decide:
Are we going to remain a quant Texas school with quaint little traditions that Aggies love and appreciate? Or are we going to grab that brass ring and try to be THE FSU of Texas aka a real brand for all Texans to root for?
Because if we play the Game of Thrones and go down the second route, we have to go all in or risk everything. Any little thing that can screw tu/OU/Big 12 we need to do, traditions or not.
Personally I never want to see an annual game again (I am 32 for your records) but I could deal with it as long as its in September. If we trash the LSU game and replace it with giving tu a chance to ruin a very good season at the end like we did for decades I would be downright livid.
Simply put for the first time ever the deck is stacked against them. Beating us on the field is the only way they can quickly catch up. Why give them that chance?
To me "being childish" is getting goaded into a game that doesn't benefit us. I don't care if we are chicken McFly, we need to do what is best for Aggies.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:23 pm to Pilgrim Shadow
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There's nothing to lose when the teams don't play each other.
Completely untrue. NSD will always be a battle.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:39 pm to Cheese Grits
Sometimes I think about deciding whether I care if we play Texas again or not, but then I kind of just move on with my life...
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:56 pm to cardboardboxer
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our brand is finally being treated properly
Herein lies our fundamental difference. You and many like you (and I do not say that in a derogatory way) actually DO see us as a "brand." I see us as a family, even if a large and sometimes quarrelsome one. A family into which one must earn his place.
You see it as important to be the "FSU of Texas" and to gain legions of sidewalk fans. I would prefer that we NOT gain those fans, because they dillute the "Aggie essence," if you will. It would not bother me in the slightest if we were to have a grand total of zero fans who did not actually attend the University. I do not WANT to be associated with a hoard of illiterates who cannot count past ten without removing their footwear. I do no WANT to be Alabama.
You see our traditions as being "quaint." I see them as representing the very essence of who we are. On this point, I find it telling that no one has resonded to the questions regarding participation in Muster, Stack, etcetera.
To follow your analogy, I am content to rule from Sunspear, and I see no need to seek a place in Kings Landing. Should rule in Dorne place the Iron Throne beneath my buttocks, I would not refuse it, but I would not actively seek it, if to attain it meant ceasing to be Dornish.
I chose TAMU because of all the things that you seem to deem unimportant and/or outdated. I am an Aggie who happens to be a football fan. Many others seem to be football fans who happpen to have attended TAMU. Again, a fundamental difference in perspective.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:58 pm to cardboardboxer
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if we slipped up and lost a game directly to Charlie this year we would flush all the recruiting momentum down the toilet.
I think this is overstating things. You remember the seasons when the Ags had a shitty team but still managed to win the last game, right? I do, and it still sucked. We still got our asses handed to us on NSD. Hell, we fired a coach after one of those seasons. I seriously doubt it would be any different for the sips.
And we definitely benefit from beating them even when they are down. Besides making a moot point of "we would beat you if" become an objective reality, having a big name program on your schedule while they are down is the best gift a program could ask for. Look at BYU and UCLA this year. Both beat them and reaped in the praise. National perception is very slow to catch up to reality in cbf.
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