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Posted on 10/20/12 at 7:54 pm
Posted by texmariner84
H-town
Member since Aug 2011
556 posts
Posted on 10/20/12 at 7:54 pm
I'll start with the fact that last night I was in Navasota before I realized I left my tickets in Houston. So after round tripping it to and from CS a few times plus getting out of a ticket where the trooper laughed at me and said you've had a bad night already, I can accept today.

Thats how I felt the game went, well prepared, mind in the right place,, poor execution. All said and done refs evened out the calls, but were still terrible!

The offensive play calling has to, has to, has to make adjustments. That being said the LSU defense is very good, Johnny tried to get through his reads before bailing, OL did a great job today. I really think we've turned a corner, we can hang with the "big boys " we'll compete for the west in the next two years.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 10/20/12 at 8:22 pm to
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The offensive play calling has to, has to, has to make adjustments.

this is my biggest problem with a lot of the cliff jumping tonight (not putting you in that category, just saying). Our offensive play calling was lights out. LSU honestly had massive problems trying to adjust. SC had 211 yards on this defense last week. Florida had 237. Washington had 183. We had 410 today.

We had all of one 3 and out all day and it was after Trey's return and we were starting at the 15. And this is against one of the elite defenses in the country. We scored 4 times. We missed 2 FGs meaning we put ourselves in position to score 6 times. Even on plays that failed there were great play calls that were there if executed (Malena TD called back, JFF pass to EZ in end zone, broken draw play that JFF had to eat (that was going to be a huge play))

Offensive playcalling is not our problem. Execution most definitely is.
Posted by Houston Summit
Houston, TX
Member since Apr 2012
1995 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 10:58 am to
I agree with this analysis 100%. I went back and rewatched the game on ESPN3 last night, and the playcalling was pretty good all day. We had a nice balance of run/pass and really kept the LSU defense honest by being multi-dimensional. That being said, it is a little frustrating when you gain 410 yards against a defense like that and only put up 19 points on the board.

But the biggest difference of the game were missed field goals/XP and turnovers. Anytime you cough up the ball 4 times against a team like LSU, you probably aren't going to win the game
Posted by LegacyAggie
Member since Sep 2011
691 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:32 am to
You are the first two Ive seen that liked the playcalling. KK is in way over his head.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:40 am to
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KK is in way over his head.

honestly dude, you've made it pretty clear you hate this offense and it appears you are doing nothing more than looking for reasons to bitch.

I truly don't envy people like yourself that can't enjoy a game at all.
Posted by LegacyAggie
Member since Sep 2011
691 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:45 am to
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honestly dude, you've made it pretty clear you hate this offense and it appears you are doing nothing more than looking for reasons to bitch.

I truly don't envy people like yourself that can't enjoy a game at all.


I truly dont envy people like you who are content with anything less than a title and people like you are the reason we have never had one. The good effort, good job kid of sports fans. Being respectable and cheering on the players just for putting on maroon is enough. Pathetic.

And do you think Im alone on that opinion? Dig through just about any article today. They almost universally disagree with you.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 11:47 am
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:10 pm to
hmmmm....okay man. You don't know me obviously and that's okay. You are free to your opinion.

But I'd strongly suggest you take some time off from Aggie football if you can't enjoy it. Don't allow things over which you have no control make you so angry and miserable
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 1:28 pm to
My fear going into this game was that our D-Line would be physically dominated by LSU's O-Line. With the exception of LSU's last TD, I never saw any evidence of that. Our four turnovers didn't help at all in that manner.

I liked JFF. I thought that he showed great restraint. He looked like a freshman on the two interceptions (the middle one being entirely on the receiver), but when you start a freshman, that is going to happen.

What I don't like. Our 3rd offensive play of the game, it's 3rd down and 1, and we have an empty backfield. There are few universal truths in football, but one is that on 3rd and 1, you get into an I formation, and you run the ball down their fricking throat. I was going to complain about the lack of offensive balance, but we actually ran 38 times... more than I would have guessed. I still think that with our offensive line, we should have a physical running game, and we don't.

I am not going to pile on Bertolet. Him missing the XP and a 32 yard attempt were ugly, but to say he cost us the game, you're saying that the 50 yarder he did make and the 52 that he missed were sure things, when in college football, both of those kicks are under 50%.

Turnovers cost us this game.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 10/21/12 at 3:16 pm to
I think this is some of the disconnect. Power running is not our forte really and the last two games, two teams that do play that style have tried to do exactly that vs LSU.

SC - 25 rushes, 34 yards, 1.4 ypc
UF - 58 rushes, 175 yards, 3.0 ypc

A&M - 38 rushes, 134 yards, 3.5 ypc

We really had pretty decent success running the ball (comparatively). And yet all we're hearing is we should have done what SC and UF did and line up and run right at them.

Btw, dabo, I know what you are saying. Lining up wide on 3rd and short is different for sure. Different leads to criticism, especially when it isn't successful. But here are all our 3rd and 3 and shorter from yesterday

3-1-TXAM34 (13:57) Johnny Manziel passed to Nehemiah Hicks for 7 yards.
3-3-TXAM32 (1:30) LSU was penalized 10 yards.
3-3-LSU47 (12:56) Johnny Manziel rushed for 4 yards.
3-3-TXAM44 (11:10) Johnny Manziel lost 1 yard.
3-2-TXAM29 (8:35) Ben Malena rushed for 16 yards.
3-3-TXAM43 (2:11) Johnny Manziel passed incomplete to Kenric McNeal.

We converted 4 of 6 which isn't too shabby. So, at least yesterday, unconventional or not, it worked.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:07 pm to
Legacy,

There is a big difference between being satisfied with losing and saying that KK needs to be thrown under the bus. Our offense had more success against LSU than any team they have played so far. Our problem was execution, not scheme. You can blame that on the coaches and that's fair but it's not fair to expect that every play will work. KK has to work with Johnny on his decision making but that takes time. Certainly I felt there was a lot of improvement though in this game than we had against UF. We also weren't shut down in the 2nd half though we did repeatedly shoot ourselves in the foot.

I'm not happy with that loss. I felt sick leaving that game. You have to give a coach at least some time though. I have always made my judgements of Aggie teams based on 2 things:

1. Are we playing hard to the final snap and showing no signs of quit?

2. Are we improving?

I still feel good about the answers to those questions right now. I feel much better about Sumlin's ability to improve this team as well over Fran or Sherman. The question is how far can he take us? We just don't know yet.
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:36 pm to
I think that it's very easy to over-analyze football. Last season, I was measuring the ratio of yards to points in the 1st half versus the 2nd half of games. The results were interesting but really only showed that we typically put up fewer yards in the 2nd half, that the drop off was a lot less than generally thought, and that we moved the ball but rarely scored in the 2nd half... (and rarely for the same reasons from week to week).

Jump to 2012. In our first loss, in the 2nd half Florida put a spy on JFF and kept him in the pocket. It killed our offense.

In the 2nd quarter Saturday, LSU appeared to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 (bizarre!) and we didn't move the ball nearly as well after the switch. JFF also had three interceptions after this switch, two of which were his fault.

Essentially, both defenses made changes to put the game in the JFF's hands, and he didn't take care of business either time. At this point in his development, he doesn't read defenses well. He looks at his primary receiver and then runs if there is nothing there, at least that's what I see watching us. With the athleticism of Florida and LSU, nothing much came from him running in those situations.

I didn't believe in this offense when Leach ran it at Tceh. In a way, however, it's worked better for us than I expected this season. It's just a matter of having a QB who can do his check downs and find the open man. Something which should happen for JFF as he gains experience.

Just my two cents.
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 2:39 pm
Posted by joe.liberst
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2012
1002 posts
Posted on 10/22/12 at 4:07 pm to
ABout the only thing I really dislike about our play calling was the over use of the QB draw. LSU was holding their tackles from going up field and it just wasn't working. I would mind seeing a some option if we want to do designed runs with Johnny.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 10/22/12 at 4:37 pm to
think we're not seeing more option solely because on the option you often see a QB get absolutely drilled by the DE on the pitch. I think they are trying to reduce the number of clean shots Manziel takes if possible

On the QB draw, it's really a set up play (as all draws are). Hopefully you can get a few yards and periodically break a nice run, but it's designed to stress the LBs who may drop too quickly against the draw or hesitate and don't get the drop on a future pass play. Our problem this week is, as you point out, we couldn't create lanes to make it dangerous at all. Simply doesn't put much stress on anyone when the DTs can make that play every time.
Posted by elpechis
Member since Aug 2011
113 posts
Posted on 10/22/12 at 8:05 pm to
lsu d is fast. johnnny triedto scrable and never got much action before d closed in..even d linemen were covering tons of space vs speed. we lost bc of turnovers.
Posted by Palooza11
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
2561 posts
Posted on 10/22/12 at 10:48 pm to
I was unimpressed with the offensive play calling. Watching KK call the plays is like when you create yourself on Heisman Race in old NCAA games or present as a quarterback. You refuse to do anything but pass and scramble to pad stats. Sometimes you run the same plays over or you try to get too cute, only to lose a game you very well had in the bag, but you threw an interception trying to pass on the 1 yard line, then, when you are about to go on a game winning drive but your QB fumbles after getting a first down with his legs. Then you get all mad and tell yourself that this is the 4th or 5th time you have played this game, but you never want to save it because you want to take A&M to new heights and they can't have a blemished record. Start, quit, yes.
Posted by texmariner84
H-town
Member since Aug 2011
556 posts
Posted on 10/23/12 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by arces12
Member since Jul 2011
88 posts
Posted on 10/24/12 at 12:45 pm to
Some frickers on here are ridiculous. Most of you don't know shiite about playcalling besides asking madden, yet you continously whine about "play-calling" because your hard-headed dumbass self wants to "run it between the tackles" because "that's what Alabama and LSU do."

NEWSFLASH! Bama and LSU can afford to do that because they have better players than everyone else!! Their defenses have superior players and superior depth than anyone they play. Thus, they can afford to play conservatively. They can afford to play that "under center, between the tackles" offense. If the current A&M team would play the style that Bama plays, we would have no chance because we'd both be doing the exact same thing but they'd be doing it with better players. They'd load the box, and it would be like running into a brick wall.

We put up more yards than anyone else on LSU and if it wasn't for a missed PAT, a chop block, a missed 30 yard FG, and silly INTs (one that bounced off our best receivers' chest and one that was poor communication between the WR and our QB) we win this game. Execution cock blocked us from a win, not play calling. Play calling had LSU all fricked up the first 3 or 4 series. We caught 'em with something they hadn't seen all year and we were moving the ball. After that they adjust, and guess what......THEY DO THAT TO EVERYBODY. NO ONE MOVES THE BALL FOR 4 QTRS ON LSU.

So stfu with your idiotic whining on playcalling, and try to enjoy the fact that we got a pretty good team in college station.

/rantover
Posted by cashag95
Houston, TX
Member since Jul 2012
64 posts
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:18 pm to
I would prefer to see us run the ball more than we are. I think we are under utilizing C-Mike and would also like to see Trey Williams get some more opportunities, he can break one at any time.
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