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re: On the record: Would you fire Sumlin after this season?
Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:45 pm to Texas Weazel
Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:45 pm to Texas Weazel
Miles is the only coach to win the SEC more than once since Saban came to Alabama.
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:49 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Do we detect an alter?
Y'all....as in you and Mr.Elvert.
Am I gonna have to take a pic of my ring so you can image search on Google
. I've sacrificed my old account during the LSU-Florida Hurricane-gate . And before that, I forgot my password to my other account and lost access to my email to regain access. I took a class with T-bird when I was a freshmen, he can verify (that Poli science class with the Chicago bear yankee professor who made us sing the Bears fight song for extra credit dude was cray for Krispy Kreeme) No troll baw. Just trying to figure out how two individuals would even consider to hire a retread coach who has underachieved as well. Doing the same thing over and over is the exact definition of insanity fyi.
Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:50 pm to Warrior Poet
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the difference in talent is substantial. it's a huge part of our problem right now
I disagree. The talent is there.
Developing it is the problem.
Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:53 pm to Texas Weazel
We definitely need to recruit better, HOWEVER we have four or five stars starting at 15 of the 22 positions on the field. Talent right now isn't an excuse against the majority o teams in CFB.
Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:53 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Be honest here...do you really believe Les would have won another sec championship if he would have been given 4 more years at LSU?
And don't lie to yourself or try to convince yourself.
(Again, I'm not advocating for Sumlin, I'm just trying to understand why y'all want a retread coach who was ousted for being stubborn and always underperforming)
And don't lie to yourself or try to convince yourself.
(Again, I'm not advocating for Sumlin, I'm just trying to understand why y'all want a retread coach who was ousted for being stubborn and always underperforming)
Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:58 pm to Texas Weazel
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Just trying to figure out how two individuals would even consider to hire a retread coach who has underachieved as well
Gene Stallings was worse than a retread, but somehow managed to win a national title at Alabama. Larry Coker is a retread, but still managed to win a national title at Miami. Gene fricking Chizik had a losing record at Iowa State but still managed to win a national title at Auburn.
There are fewer than 15 national championship coaches who are still alive right now and only four (Saban, Meyer, Fisher, Stoops) are still coaching. Prior to this season, Miles was the 5th.
In order to win, you have to know how to win. Miles knows how to win. Sumlin does not.
You know who also had only 1 conference titles since 2005? Bobby Bowden, the 2nd winningest coach of all time in FBS.
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 12:02 am
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:03 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Gene Stallings was worse than a retread, but somehow managed to win a national title at Alabama.
There was a gap of almost 30 years from his stint here and Alabama. Dude was inexperienced when w me hired him.
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Larry Coker is a retread, but still managed to win a national title at Miami
What?! Larry Coker had no Head Coaching experience before Miami.
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Gene fricking Chizik had a losing record at Iowa State but still managed to win a national title at Auburn.
If you want to go down that road, then forget Les...let's go after Charlie Weis
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There are fewer than 15 national championship coaches who are still alive right now and only four (Saban, Meyer, Fisher, Stoops) are still coaching. Prior to this season, Miles was the 5th.
Answer the question, do you honestly believe Les would have won an SEC championship within the next 4 years if he were still at lsu?
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You know who also had only 1 conference titles since 2005? Bobby Bowden, the 2nd winningest coach of all time in FBS.
Are you alluding that Les is past his prime then? Because Bobby was at that point.
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 12:05 am
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:04 am to Roger Klarvin
if you look at the talent on LSU's roster, it flat out doesn't compare.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:06 am to Texas Weazel
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Answer the question, do you honestly believe Les would have won an SEC championship within the next 4 years if he were still at lsu?
One within the next 4? Yes.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:06 am to Texas Weazel
We do not have the Tony Browns, the Fournettes, the Reuben Fosters.
We get talent at skill positions, but we don't have the raw athletic talent on defense and on the lines that some of you would believe. We are more talented than probably every team in Texas, but we don't compete with a single team in Texas and shouldn't let that be our threshold for the depth chart.
We get talent at skill positions, but we don't have the raw athletic talent on defense and on the lines that some of you would believe. We are more talented than probably every team in Texas, but we don't compete with a single team in Texas and shouldn't let that be our threshold for the depth chart.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:08 am to Warrior Poet
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if you look at the talent on LSU's roster, it flat out doesn't compare.
Yet, they underachieved. Just saw an LSU offense with a once in a decade type of running back get shut out.
Talent ain't everything. A lot of it has to do with coaching and Les didn't take advantage of the talent. So again I ask; why Les?
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:11 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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One within the next 4? Yes.
His former team just got shut out with loaded talent on offense (minus qb of course) and if I'm not mistaking, LSU will lose some players to the NFL. There's just no way. I see Auburn, Ole Miss, or someone from the East getting lucky and winning one before Les would have. You have to remember that this is with Cam Cameron at the OC helm.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:12 am to Warrior Poet
Nailed it.
I got depressed tonight just watching LSU's defense. It's been 5 years in the SEC and we are nowhere close to that level of talent/speed/size. Good WR's will only take you so far.
We also haven't been great on offense since 2013 due to all Sherman's OL recruits leaving. Sumlin hasn't been able to recruit/develop OL talent like Sherman.
I got depressed tonight just watching LSU's defense. It's been 5 years in the SEC and we are nowhere close to that level of talent/speed/size. Good WR's will only take you so far.
We also haven't been great on offense since 2013 due to all Sherman's OL recruits leaving. Sumlin hasn't been able to recruit/develop OL talent like Sherman.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:13 am to Texas Weazel
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So again I ask; why Les?
Les will get the talent we need. We will have a good defense. His choice of OC will not be in his hands entirely and he will go into it knowing that is the case.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:14 am to Texas Weazel
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Yet, they underachieved.
Les Miles' 2005 class went 42-11
His 2006 class went 40-13
His 2007 class went 40-13
His 2008 class went 41-12
His 2009 class went 43-10
His 2010 class went 44-9
His 2011 class went 41-12
His 2012 class went 37-14 (38-14 had the McNeese game not been cancelled)
His 2013 class is currently 32-14 (33-14 had the South Alabama game not been cancelled)
That is nowhere near "underachieving".
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:15 am to Warrior Poet
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Les will get the talent we need. We will have a good defense. His choice of OC will not be in his hands entirely and he will go into it knowing that is the case.
He won't go 'into it' if that's the case. Les doesn't play the micro-managing game. That's why he got fired baw.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:15 am to Texas Weazel
Are you seriously telling me that Les Miles isn't 2-3 orders of magnitude better than Kevin Sumlin given both coaches' bodies of work?
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:21 am to Texas Weazel
What if I told you he has already said he will?
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:22 am to Warrior Poet
Hasn't Miles already publicly said he's looking for a compatible OC?
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:23 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Les Miles' 2005 class went 42-11
His 2006 class went 40-13
His 2007 class went 40-13
His 2008 class went 41-12
His 2009 class went 43-10
His 2010 class went 44-9
His 2011 class went 41-12
His 2012 class went 37-14 (38-14 had the McNeese game not been cancelled)
His 2013 class is currently 32-14 (33-14 had the South Alabama game not been cancelled)
That is nowhere near "underachieving".
And just two conference championships???? I'm not so good at math, but those numbers look like 4:1. So for every 4 wins he accumulated, he also accumulated a loss on average (again, not exact numbers, just averaging off of the top of my head after quickly scanning those numbers). So at this point of the year, he should be 8-2 (again, based on average).
If we are complaining about Sumlin being 7-2 right now, I'd imagine we would be doing the same for an 8-2 Les, don't you think?
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