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Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:02 am to
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:02 am to
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A lot of cliff jumping and selective memory on this thread. Not saying some points aren't valid, they are, but some of the logic is just lost on me. I don't think it is fair to change expectations as the year goes, especially drastically. This was a 7-5 team, maybe 8-4 to the optimists starting the year. If they achieve that I don't see how we should be unhappy. I think we have a great shot at 9-3 right now and if somehow we win Saturday there is no telling what could happen. That doesn't mean we should be unhappy though with the clear improvements we have seen.

Why we are even mentioning an ability to beat Bama is just crazy to me. Bear Bryant could be our coach right now and we would likely still lose to Bama. Bama has several years worth of "Jimmy's and Joe's" that they have hand picked from anywhere they wanted them, especially on D. It's going to take time to build up anything close to that level of talent. We have some nice offensive talent for sure but we have a ways to go before we have the kind of defensive talent and depth as Bama and LSU. I would also like to know of any sane human being that thought we had better than a 1% chance of walking in to Tuscaloosa and beating Bama in Year 1 or much better in Year 2. That place is a machine right now and personally I am amazed that at this point we may have at least a puncher's chance.

I don't care what defensive scheme we are running, we just don't have that level of defensive talent. We have a few quality guys but we have a ways to go. I do like some of the talent coming in though and I think we are on the right track. At least we have a serious S&C program now and that was half our problem.

We looked really bad defensively at times against La Tech, no doubt. That game was also not exactly conventional. You had 4 defensive contributors out in a game that lasted 5 hours and finished after midnight. You had an extremely well run Spread offense that is unlike what we will see in the SEC. We also had some very questionable officiating that extended a lot of drives and got La Tech back in that game. Honestly I think without the PI call on Jacobs in the 2nd Quarter that led to their first TD it's a very different ballgame.

I don't agree that the Spread/Air Raid won't work in the SEC. Essentially our goal is to likely look like Oregon or last year's OSU offensively and with the athletes in Texas and our coaches I see that as very possible. There is some weakness on getting "the tough yard" with that offense but I think that is being overstated as well. The change in blocking schemes is significant and it's going to take time to master. I still think the jury is still out there though.

I don't agree at all that A&M won't be able to attract top RB's. We got TW last year as well as Brandon Williams and Tra Carson to transfer. James White is an absolute beast as well. We will have multiple power runners to go with speed. In this system you may not get to be the feature back who the offense centers around but you will get carries and honestly build a better pro resume. You have to block and catch in this system.

That brings us to Johnny Football. What do you do with a kid like that? He's a freak talent but he is so unconventional. You can only control him so much without losing his playmaking ability. A&M's history is littered with great QB's that were forced into systems that didn't work to their talents. You have to build it around a guy like him, especially since he is a Freshman. That means you have to take the good with the bad. Honestly this is a learning year for him. It's nice people are going so crazy for him and I have to admit I get caught up as well but still the kid is a Freshman and has played 6 games. He's going to screw up like he did on the Pick 6 last game. Fortunately he still makes a lot more plays than screw ups. I also seem to recall our 1st Round Draft Pick QB last year throwing Pick 6's all too often in the West Coast offense as well. It is unfair to expect perfection out of Manziel. He's growing and getting better but honestly I think we are playing more for next year in regards to him.

One last point on recruiting. The key to recruiting is winning and hype. There is more buzz around A&M right now than I have seen in a very long time. We are breaking a lot of molds and changing a lot of opinions about us. We still have a ways to go but a lot of folks that either forgot about A&M or never knew it to be what it was in the Jackie/early RC era are starting to see just how special a place we are. Add in our most dynamic coach since Jackie and the SEC move with a dash of Johnny Football and A&M is looking awfully sexy. I really don't think it can be overstated how huge a win would be this weekend btw. It is a true program defining moment if we can pull it off.

Call me a kool aid drinker if you wish, I will admit to being an optimist. Still I see our flaws. I also see our STRENGTHS though. Don't ever let anyone convince you that A&M can't become a truly elite football program once again.





most sports media had us being 7-5 at best and more often than not 5-7 or 6-6 and missing a bowl.

Sumlin has this team ahead of schedule as far as I'm concerned.

JFF is only a freshman and he has twice set SEC yardage records. He is on pace to shatter several A&M records. He may actually pass Cam friggin Newton in total offense this year. We will get those multiple 4 and 5 yard a play drives when he gets better at his progressions. Case Keenum wasn't a lethal killer in this offense day one either.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 5:12 am to
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I don't agree at all that A&M won't be able to attract top RB's. We got TW last year as well as Brandon Williams and Tra Carson to transfer.


Trey Williams verbally committed under Sherman, and Brandon Williams transfered because of proximity. All else being equal our scheme isn't going to attract feature backs like other places would. How is that not a fair assessment? If it isn't, then you don't think scheme plays a factor, and we shouldny be attracting stud wide receivers that want to play in this pass happy system.

Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 8:42 am to
It is true about the Williams' but they still had to be closed by Sumlin. If they didn't believe in the system they would have gone elsewhere. TW was a nailbiter up until signing day for that matter, certainly I though we had a much better chance we would lose him over Addison (who seems like a perfect fit in this system).

I'm also very excited about James White. That dude is a big, nasty beast of a runner. Certainly doesn't fit the profile of a little scatback, he looks more like CMike.

In the end though, winning trumps scheme. We also are blessed in that Texas is loaded with quality RB's annually and our other advantages will bring those kids in.

One last point. If scheme is all kids care about then why did Adrian Peterson end up at OU? He clearly liked A&M and flirted with us late into the process. We had a run heavy scheme under Fran that he would have shined in. Yet he went to OU and ended up playing for...... Kevin Sumlin.

If anything my fear is on defensive talent, not offensive.
Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:23 am to
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I used to think just like the sentiments in much of this thread. This year, I said "frick it" and have rolled with the team warts and all. It's been my most enjoyable season in a decade.


Enjoyable? Hell the last 2 games have shortened my lifespan by a couple of years. I could take an easy win any day now, unfortunately that may be a long wait.
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 10:53 am to
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I used to think just like the sentiments in much of this thread. This year, I said "frick it" and have rolled with the team warts and all. It's been my most enjoyable season in a decade.

I can top you. Keep in mind that I am Class of '94, so I am an old fart.

Going into the 1995 season we were preseason ranked something like #3 in the country. I thought that it would be the year that we would finally break from being the kings of the lowly SWC and be seen as the national power that we were.

That season, we lost games at Colorado, at Tceh (first loss to them since 1989), and against tu at home (first loss to them since 1990 and first home loss to them since 1983).

The next season, 1996, we were 6-6 including a loss at USL (now Louisiana Lafayette).

I was adamant that RC Slocum must be fired and that I wouldn't allow myself to care about Aggie football until it happened. I still watched the games when they were on TV, but refused to really "care."

I kept this attitude until the start of last season, 2011, (a 14 year stretch of emotional detachment!). I really thought that we were going to challenge for the Big 12 title and head into the SEC with our program in the best shape that it had been in since 1995. It didn't quite happen.

I went back to my philosophy of emotional detachment before this season, but I haven't been able to stick to it. I find myself caring a lot more than I want to.

BTHO LSU!
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 4:28 pm to
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One last point. If scheme is all kids care about then why did Adrian Peterson end up at OU? He clearly liked A&M and flirted with us late into the process. We had a run heavy scheme under Fran that he would have shined in. Yet he went to OU and ended up playing for...... Kevin Sumlin.


I never said it was all kids cared about, but it will play a factor. Do you remember how we got Jeff Fuller?

Also, there was a run heavy scheme in Austin as well and AD grew up with Ricky Williams posters on his wall. He went to OU because of Stoops.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 4:28 pm to
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One last point. If scheme is all kids care about then why did Adrian Peterson end up at OU? He clearly liked A&M and flirted with us late into the process. We had a run heavy scheme under Fran that he would have shined in. Yet he went to OU and ended up playing for...... Kevin Sumlin.



And by all accounts AD never liked Fran.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 5:08 pm to
I have heard reports all over the place as to why AD went to OU over A&M and Texas. In the end though, Texas and A&M both had a more heavy run scheme than OU and yet he went there. Why? Maybe it was Stoops. Maybe it was because he thought he had a better chance of winning. Maybe it was because some girl rocked his world on a recruiting trip.

The key is that while scheme matters it isn't the whole ball of wax. More than that though, a RB can still prosper nicely in A&M's system. Part of that is being diminished right now by the freak that is Johnny Manziel honestly. If you have a QB that is leading the SEC in rushing that takes up a lot of carries. If we had Showers as QB or someone else there would likely be at least 10 more carries per game for the RB's.

Another point is most Texas HS's are more spread oriented now so there is abundant talent and most kids are comfortable in that system. I just don't know who these kids we will lose out on are.

Your point on Fuller is valid but it comes from the opposite angle and doesn't correlate. Fran ran a boring option attack that didn't utilize WR' very much. Sumlin's system certainly uses RB's and in lots of different ways. I also think the fact that AD played for Sumlin is valid and is certainly an example that Sumlin can use in recruiting. He also had some RB's that racked up big stats at UH that were maybe 2 Stars. RB's make big plays in Spread offenses.

I had my doubts about the Spread in the beginning but they are fewer and fewer all the time. I really think the key is a great defense and a great OL. If you have those 2 elements the offensive scheme isn't as important. Look at OSU last year and Oregon this year. Those are very potent teams that are as strong of a threat to the SEC as anyone. The key is if the defense is there, not the offensive scheme.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4338 posts
Posted on 10/17/12 at 5:08 pm to
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1996, we were 6-6 including a loss at USL
My Zip Year

I know how you feel, daboman
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