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re: Future sched news - '24 M&W game on 4/20
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:20 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:20 pm to Dr RC
pretty much agree with everything you posted RC. I don't agree with Mr. SEC's opinion, only his conclusion of what the result will likely be (scheduling stays as is).
Also, if you have a scheduling alliance with the ACC, both conferences have a baseline 9-games like every other conference, just one of those OOC. You are starting in the exact same spot really.
Also, if you have a scheduling alliance with the ACC, both conferences have a baseline 9-games like every other conference, just one of those OOC. You are starting in the exact same spot really.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:01 pm to tmc94
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Also, if you have a scheduling alliance with the ACC, both conferences have a baseline 9-games like every other conference, just one of those OOC. You are starting in the exact same spot really
Would this imply rotating ACC/SEC matchups or permanent rivalries?
If the latter, can we haz dibs on Virginia Tech?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:03 pm to tmc94
Question:
a) I know Texas is refusing to play A&M at the moment but are other Big 12 teams also deliberately not playing A&M as well?
b) Has A&M tried to reach out to schedule these schools since leaving the Big 12 and getting turned down or are both sides not even willing to try?
c) Does Texas actually have the influence to bully other Big 12 teams into not playing A&M even if those Big 12 teams wanted to?
It just seems to be a crappy OOC type situation for A&M. I know the Rice / SMU games have some historical value, and the ASU and UCLA series is pretty damn cool, but with the SEC being in the East and no one in the Big 12 will play A&M, it appears as though A&M is going to have to keep scheduling OOC teams that are half way across the country.
a) I know Texas is refusing to play A&M at the moment but are other Big 12 teams also deliberately not playing A&M as well?
b) Has A&M tried to reach out to schedule these schools since leaving the Big 12 and getting turned down or are both sides not even willing to try?
c) Does Texas actually have the influence to bully other Big 12 teams into not playing A&M even if those Big 12 teams wanted to?
It just seems to be a crappy OOC type situation for A&M. I know the Rice / SMU games have some historical value, and the ASU and UCLA series is pretty damn cool, but with the SEC being in the East and no one in the Big 12 will play A&M, it appears as though A&M is going to have to keep scheduling OOC teams that are half way across the country.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:07 pm to theGarnetWay
quote:yes
a) I know Texas is refusing to play A&M at the moment but are other Big 12 teams also deliberately not playing A&M as well?
quote:both sides aren't willing to try because both understand there is no chance of it happening right now
b) Has A&M tried to reach out to schedule these schools since leaving the Big 12 and getting turned down or are both sides not even willing to try?
quote:over the techs and Baylor's and tcus of the world? Yes
c) Does Texas actually have the influence to bully other Big 12 teams into not playing A&M even if those Big 12 teams wanted to?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:09 pm to WestCoastAg
Tech said they were willing to play in football if we played in everything else. We said no:
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In regards to Baylor and TCU, heck I would rather play Rice and SMU.
I am glad we don't play Big 12 teams. They began the policy to try and kill our exposure in the state, and in doing so lost a shot at national exposure a SEC game would bring...
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In regards to Baylor and TCU, heck I would rather play Rice and SMU.
I am glad we don't play Big 12 teams. They began the policy to try and kill our exposure in the state, and in doing so lost a shot at national exposure a SEC game would bring...
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:10 pm to WestCoastAg
we aren't going to play texas for a while, we probably will never play Baylor again, or at least they will be the last program that we restart anything with, we probably wont play tcu but well play them before Baylor. if we are to play a single game against a big 12 program, it will be from tech
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:11 pm to theGarnetWay
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I know Texas is refusing to play A&M at the moment but are other Big 12 teams also deliberately not playing A&M as well?
Not exactly but there's a tacit agreement by many. We've talked to OU, TCU, and Tech but nothing came of it. Baylor is more upset than Texas even and Kansas is also blackballing Mizzou which is why a lot of the "north" teams have also agreed not to play us.
A lot of them are upset because they blame A&M (and Mizzou) for not sticking by them. It's pretty much textbook stockholm syndrome. But originally it was designed to "punish" A&M by denying us local games. It's all very silly imo because it hasn't worked and if anything, has hurt the schools pushing the idea the most.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:11 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:as we all
I would rather play Rice and SMU.
quote:same. no reason to play them whatsoever
I am glad we don't play Big 12 teams
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:17 pm to WestCoastAg
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same. no reason to play them whatsoever
So you don't have to schedule Ball St. and WCU? Don't get me wrong, we all have our cream puffs but that just seems so unappealing to have 2 in one year.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:17 pm to tmc94
tmc, if someone was to come to you and say "texas and a&m are going to take at the bare minimum a 20 year drought in playing each other" would you characterize that as an accurate statement?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:18 pm to tmc94
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Baylor is more upset than Texas
And yet this website still exists lol:
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But originally it was designed to "punish" A&M by denying us local games. It's all very silly imo because it hasn't worked and if anything, has hurt the schools pushing the idea the most.
That idea came from Texas because the same concept killed Arky's program after the SEC move. The problem for the Big 12 programs is that:
1. A&M actually is in Texas
2. There was already a demand for more SEC exposure in the state of Texas that the A&M move tapped into. We had built-in exposure.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:19 pm to theGarnetWay
quote:you cant just rebuild a schedule after you move conferences. we lost our marquee OOC game that we had scheduled for 10 years, Arkansas, because we now are the same conference as they are. most of the other power programs have their OOCs locked up years in advance. we lost ours. we are playing ASU to start next year, we have a home and home with UCLA and Oregon in the future. there is no reason to assume that we aren't going to continue to schedule P5 teams as we go forward when we actually can. especially when we actually have a pretty good track record in scheduling P5 schools for OOC games
So you don't have to schedule Ball St. and WCU?
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:24 pm to WestCoastAg
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ame. no reason to play them whatsoever
I disagree and I think that's Garnet's point. It's nice to play local OOC games like SC does with Clemson and UNC. Those are good games and both fanbases can attend and there is real interest.
I'm not sure the history but I can imagine there was some bad blood between those schools when SC bailed on the ACC but it's been so long that it's all forgotten now.
The bad blood here will subside and I think we'll schedule someone such as OU like SC does UNC, UGA does Clemson, and UF does Miami. Not every year but enough. Tech is a harder problem because I think many would like to keep the series but no one wants to go to Lubbock. And TCU does nothing for us right now since we are playing an annual game in Arlington.
Long term, I'm not sure Baylor, either of the Kansas schools, or ISU will ever be attractive opponents so I'd agree with that. They are about on Rice or SMU's level anyway so why not play schools that are good neighbors.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:25 pm to tmc94
I mean what do we get out of playing tech, tcu, Baylor, etc? the only two programs id be ok with playing would be OU and texas. id much rather go and play schools from other P5 conferences than play Baylor in a home and home. or Christ forbid go to freaking lubbock
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:25 pm to WestCoastAg
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tmc, if someone was to come to you and say "texas and a&m are going to take at the bare minimum a 20 year drought in playing each other" would you characterize that as an accurate statement?
I don't know about minimum. They seem to have already realized they cut off their nose to spite their face. I think something could happen sooner. Would 20 surprise me? Nah, but honestly neither would an announcement that we'll resume in 2018 or something.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:27 pm to tmc94
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I'm not sure the history but I can imagine there was some bad blood between those schools when SC bailed on the ACC but it's been so long that it's all forgotten now.
That's about right. We have no real rivalry with Maryland at all but my friend's grandmother was actively rooting against Maryland in some random game just because they were an ACC team, she doesn't like any of them.
There is still some animosity there when the 2 Carolinas play each other, mainly because of the name Carolina, and their smug and condescending attitude towards the state of SC as a whole.
Truth be told I don't think the situations were too different, except it was because of basketball. We started getting good and the Tobacco Road tried to smother us.
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The success South Carolina achieved on the court brought resentment and anger from fellow ACC schools, especially those on "Tobacco Road," as the conference members of the state of North Carolina were known. The hostility of the road crowds, the unfriendly behavior of coaches and athletic directors in the conference, and the discrepancies in eligibility standards led McGuire to support South Carolina becoming an Independent before the 1971-72 season
From our basketball wiki page, source is traced back to a book of the history of the school.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:30 pm to tmc94
would you say that both sides are somewhat moving towards renewing the game, or are we in the same place that we were at the start of all of this
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:33 pm to WestCoastAg
I know you're looking at this from a current student perspective and I'm not so maybe I'm wrong about how we'd feel. But like SMU and Rice (and UH), we have a ton of history with those schools.
Rivalry games sell tickets and generate buzz. Even if you don't see it as a rivalry, Baylor does or TCU does. It would be a huge game to them and circled on their schedule and I think there is value to that. Note, I think it's pretty likely it could be 50 years before we play Baylor again however.
I'm okay with the ASU game for instance but I don't think it's going to generate that kind of fan buzz despite likely being a better game. It simply won't be a big deal to either school other than it's the season opener. I'm not even sure I know a single ASU alum.
Rivalry games sell tickets and generate buzz. Even if you don't see it as a rivalry, Baylor does or TCU does. It would be a huge game to them and circled on their schedule and I think there is value to that. Note, I think it's pretty likely it could be 50 years before we play Baylor again however.
I'm okay with the ASU game for instance but I don't think it's going to generate that kind of fan buzz despite likely being a better game. It simply won't be a big deal to either school other than it's the season opener. I'm not even sure I know a single ASU alum.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:35 pm to tmc94
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an announcement that we'll resume in 2018 or something.
I hope not...
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:36 pm to WestCoastAg
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would you say that both sides are somewhat moving towards renewing the game, or are we in the same place that we were at the start of all of this
Every single member of the "punish A&M" crowd, including Bill Powers, DeLoss Dodds, Red McCombs, Joe Jamail, etc. will have to die, IMHO, before we ever play the sips in a major sport again.
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