re: Coaching Changes Discussion - Chief locked up, what about rest?

He has a track record of making good hires. I don't know why so many morons are melting over him like he's driving us into the ground. Even in spite of all this he's still pulling in a top 5 / top 10 recruiting class and has a monster hire at WR coach lined up.

Snyder was a good hire that just didn't pan out under the circumstances. Our defensive talent did not pan out as we needed it to and we had a small margin for error, that we could not maintain, so our defense sucked. Bottom line is Sumlin did something proactive to fix a problem, and I'm glad he did, but none of the three coaches before Sumlin would have fired Snyder. NONE. So why is Sumlin getting punished for making good decisions and doing everything he can to put us in a position to win?

Spav was an interesting hire and he could turn out to have just had a major brain fart this year or it could turn out he was doing the best with some questionable protection and a stable of running backs that can only do one thing, respectively. Who knows. Either way, why is everyone presuming Sumlin, a coach know for his offensive philosophy, isn't going to right the ship offensively? What exactly has he done to scream that he is going to be a stubborn sack of shite like Fran and Sherman and RC were and basically ride a failing idea to his grave? Isn't it rumored that he called the plays in the second have of LSU? Wouldn't that indicate he sees the problem?

Sumlin put a lot of thought into the Snyder hire. And truthfully we could probably hire a coach worse than Snyder at this point and that coach would have more success. We have the infrastructure in our depth chart to win games and compete, especially with this new class and hopefully some new blood in the secondary and linebackers. Different circumstances and Snyder would have been a success. He was set for failure from the get go.

So yes, as long as we don't hire someone that "gets a&m", I don't mind hiring someone not named Muschamp/Venables/Foster, because I believe Sumlin makes good decisions and evaluates talent well. You think I'm an idiot for that fact them prove me wrong.

Ah okay. The HC in his post must have been a typo

In Snyders worst year he was still under the total defense / scoring defense of the examples you mention, with his average years being much improved from the likes of Joe Kines and Torbush. Plus, if I recall, Kines retired and wasn't fired.

Not to mention the absolute unwavering stubbornness on offense that all three of those coaches displayed.

Ultimately the hire should be judged on the results. So far Sumlin is 1-4 in coordinator hires. McKinney, Synder, and Spav have all not preformed up to expectations. It looks like Kliff may be out of a job after next year. If Jake doesn't improve then maybe he's an option at OC. I'm still confident Sumlin hires a strong DC on paper and get results.

As long as he is willing to make a change when it's not working out I don't care what up in comer he tries out.

I don't think Kliff is getting fired anytime soon.

I don't know what to think of Spav.

I also give Sumlin credit for hiring position coaches.

He's 12-13 (6-12) after 2 years. He took a step back after year 1. If he goes 5-7 (3-6) or worse I think he's shown the door.

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If he goes 5-7 (3-6) or worse I think he's shown the door.

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Next year? His contract is too big. Maybe like 3 wins (shudder) we eat that, but five wins he goes into 2016 on a crazy hot seat. Seems like from the get-go that extension tied us to each other through 2016.

Don't you find it a little bit strange that there has been no word on the Pelini/Youngstown St hire and the Foster extension?

If they go full blown meltdown like 2-10 or something they might find a way. I don't think they will be that bad though, probably 4-8 or 5-7 ish again.

That program is getting what they deserve for shitcanning Leach. He should still be there raising hell for defenses in the Big 12

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Tech isn't us or UT when it comes to money. I think he will get another year after next year unless it's a total disaster

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There is huge undercurrent that the average fan doesn't realize. Folks like Tech, Baylor, TCU, and OSU have played with the big boys as far as salary. That's all fine and good until you make a bad hire. KU did that and they just hired a WR coach as their HC and kept their DC on. This new world has long-term guaranteed contracts and escalating salaries. It's scary.

And it's scarier still for schools without resources or conference tv networks. IMO the Big 12 is teetering and they desperately need to hang on to their good coaches and not make any disastrous hires. Like 6 of those schools would have to go the KU route.

Kingsbury is making 3m. It escalates 200k per year til 2020. It's 90% guaranteed as are several of his assistants. He's not going anywhere for a while.