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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:26 am to
Posted by agalloch
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:26 am to
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but contended that the talent today was on par with secular.


Naaaahhhhhh. If you have to label yourself as a Jesus lover to sell albums, you're a gimmick.

This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 10:31 am
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:32 am to
But that doesn't work Pat.

That's like saying if George strait was really good, which he must not be because he only made country music, he would have made rap music.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:34 am to
No true, it's a genre.

As I said to Pat, what y'all are saying is the equivalent of stating the Rush was not really good because they never made country music and had it played on country music stations
Posted by Projectpat
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:41 am to
That’s if you’re assuming Christian is a genre. I don’t think it is or should be considered a genre. It’s like calling Taylor Swift “break up” music. Genre is style, not lyrical content.

Making it a separate genre isolates the message, preaching to the choir you might say. If artists focus on their musical craft and include their faith in their lyrics because it’s important to them, great, it’s more honest and will reach more people.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:51 am to
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That’s if you’re assuming Christian is a genre. I don’t think it is or should be considered a genre.


I actually agree with you here.

Christian music can sound like anything. It's an incredibly diverse niche as far as sound, but not a genre unto itself.

quote:

If artists focus on their musical craft and include their faith in their lyrics because it’s important to them, great, it’s more honest and will reach more people.


Agreed. I want to listen (not exclusively) to good musicians who happen to be Christian, not just anyone who has a notion to warble a few bars about Jesus.

Quality has to drive the niche as much as substance. Think it's way better today than it used to be.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 10:53 am
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:51 am to
Now you're using a double standard Pat


Country artists don't preach to the choir? Most of their music doesn't involve content that appeals to a specific audience? Most of their music if not all isn't written and performed specifically for the purpose of being marketed and played exclusively on country music radio stations?


Same goes for rock, same goes for rap. Music was specifically lyrics targeted it specific audiences that otherwise would not be successful if played to people that weren't their "choir"
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:07 am to
Sarge, I think you should call it a sub genre. Christian rock is a sub genre of rock. Just like alternative, grunge, punk, and so on. It's not it's own sound. It mimics a genre that already exists. But it is unique enough to give it a sub genre.

I member listening to DC Talk and POD in high school and before. Good songs with good messages.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 11:09 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:11 am to
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DC Talk




TobyMac and Michael Tait are still dang good. Went to a T-Mac concert last year and it was like jumping in a time machine And Tait heads up my favorite band now (Newsboys).
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Country artists don't preach to the choir


How long until a country singer writes a song about his self driving truck leaving him?
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:18 am to
Now I'm gonna have Jesus Freak stuck in my head all day
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 11:19 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:20 am to
"man with a tat on his big fat belly, it wiggled around like marmalade jelly..."
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:26 am to
It doesn't matter how you phrase it

Solid gold record Gangster rap will fail miserably when presented to a classic rock or country audience.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:29 am to
Of course it will. But rap, hip hop, R&B, those are all part of the same macro level genre. Just like Techno, trans, and house music are all part of the same genre. But they are sub genres. That's how music is categorized.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:43 am to
You have Christian rap, you have country Christian, you have Christian rock, you have heavy metal Christian rock

Not all of these will succeed with all Christian audiences

Again there's clearly a double standard being applied in Pats argument
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:54 am to
I think Pat makes a good point though that you should recognize. If you label yourself as a Christian band making Christian music, you are targeting a very specific audience. I think that's what his point was, or at least part of it.

If you watch the South Park episode with Faith+1, you see an old lady come buy their CD and say "Oh this will be great for my grandkids." She isn't buying it because she likes the music. She is buying it soley because of the name Christian Rock. That was also part of Pat's point. Some people will blindly buy their music because of the sub genre label, and the artists and producers know that.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 11:57 am
Posted by Projectpat
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:21 pm to
I really wasn’t trying to reignite this debate

Thanks AggieDub for making my point more eloquently than I was. Christian music is marketed to people who only want to listen to music with lyrics about faith. If an artist has faith based lyrics but their music is good enough to be consumed by a larger audience, then they’re not going to be advertised as Christian music.

I’m highlighting Magic & Bird because I don’t think it’s advertised as Christian music, but it does have family appropriate lyrics and is legitimately good music. I appreciate that a lot more.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:34 pm to
The rap music is only marketed to people that want to hear rap music and country music is only marketed to people that want to hear country music and guess what rock 'n' roll is marketed to people that want to hear rock 'n' roll music
Posted by Texas Weazel
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:41 pm to
We're talking about Christian Rap!!

Thanks a lot Sumlin!
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

If an artist has faith based lyrics but their music is good enough to be consumed by a larger audience, then they’re not going to be advertised as Christian music.


Precisely.

I've heard TobyMac and Skillet tracks played at WWE, NASCAR, and NBA events.
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