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Posted on 8/25/21 at 2:40 pm to KellerChrystFan
Posted on 8/25/21 at 2:40 pm to KellerChrystFan
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As of today he’s going to Tennessee.
I guess anything is possible. We will have to see how Tennessee plays this year
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Posted on 8/25/21 at 2:45 pm to ColoradoAg
How Tennessee plays has nothing to do with why Tennessee leads for and is the favorite to get Nolen. Have you had your head in the sand with his recruitment?
You act like this would be the first time a struggling team would land a 5 star.
You act like this would be the first time a struggling team would land a 5 star.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 2:46 pm to Farmer1906
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As of today, UT isn't 5-7 either.
You think Garner and Heupel are selling him on the fact that UT will go better than 6-6 in year 1?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 3:46 pm to KellerChrystFan
Ok then. Well I am going to have to disagree with you that the #1 prospect in the country doesn't consider how well the team he will play for is doing on the field and that it may take more than just being the hometown favorite to lock him up.
Could be wrong though.
Could be wrong though.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 4:28 pm to aggressor
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Ok then. Well I am going to have to disagree with you that the #1 prospect in the country doesn't consider how well the team he will play for is doing on the field
To be honest you would think a top rated player would care more about a team being a contender every year.
No offense but aTm has yet to cross that threshold so they are really no different than UT. Until you can consistently win 11+ plus games a year just another program watching from the outside. aTm has only won what 10 or more games once in this century if not mistaken.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 4:43 pm to TideWarrior
A player is more concerned about what the team will do while they are there and not the past.
A&M is recruiting extremely well. We have a coach locked up long term and has a stable staff that has won a NC and we are on the cusp of the Playoffs. Our facilities and support are elite. Unless you believe that some mythical force prevents winning instead of those things we are in pretty good shape. Are we in Bama's shoes? No, but we are closing the gap by any objective measure and we have staying power. If Clemson can rise up to be the power they are certainly A&M can.
Teams rise and fall very quickly in CFB, that's the nature of the beast. What Saban has done at Bama is truly amazing but it is the exception and not the rule.
A&M is recruiting extremely well. We have a coach locked up long term and has a stable staff that has won a NC and we are on the cusp of the Playoffs. Our facilities and support are elite. Unless you believe that some mythical force prevents winning instead of those things we are in pretty good shape. Are we in Bama's shoes? No, but we are closing the gap by any objective measure and we have staying power. If Clemson can rise up to be the power they are certainly A&M can.
Teams rise and fall very quickly in CFB, that's the nature of the beast. What Saban has done at Bama is truly amazing but it is the exception and not the rule.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 4:47 pm to aggressor
When did you start following recruiting? Elite prospects go to shite programs all the time. South Carolina has pulled top 10 players in 2019 and 2020, Michigan has gotten 5 stars in the last couple classes, Maryland has gotten 5 stars in the last 2 classes.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 4:55 pm to Vidic
Yep - Butch Jones, Jeremy Pruitt and Derek Dooley all pulled several 5 stars with no success on the field to lean on. And year 1 is always the easiest to sell since it doesn’t matter what your product on the field is.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 4:57 pm to aggressor
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What Saban has done at Bama is truly amazing but it is the exception and not the rule.
Agreed and we are riding the gravy train.
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A&M is recruiting extremely well
So are a lot of teams. Unless recruits are getting developed rankings are a useless metric.
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We have a coach locked up long term and has a stable staff that has won a NC and we are on the cusp of the Playoffs. Our facilities and support are elite.
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player is more concerned about what the team will do while they are there and not the past.
Not exactly true because every program sells the idea we are almost there and/or you can help rebuild. But in the case of aTm there is no past and what Jimbo did at FSU was easy considering how crappy that conference is and once Clemson became the top dog and provided competition Jimbo had no answer.
And a lot of teams feel they are on the cusp. Still each year only 4 get in. Same for facilities and staff. Eye candy does not win games and staff still has to produce. And to use Clemson as a measuring stick due to what they have successfully done in the ACC compared to the SEC is foolish. Hell 75% of SEC if in the ACC in Clemson's spot could do the same each year.
We will see as everyone is wanting to say this is your year.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 7:35 pm to TideWarrior
Bama fans are getting very nervous as a storm is on the horizon and Saban knows it.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 7:54 pm to FootsFanatic
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Bama fans are getting very nervous as a storm is on the horizon and Saban knows it.
What storm? Is this a continuation of the UGA storm we have been hearing about for years, or the LSU wins a title or CU beats us and the dynasty is over storm, or is this Saban is either retiring, going to Texas, or the NFL storm?
Sorry we here this every year and when it does not materialize we here the excuses.
Maybe your team should leave the SEC and join the new alliance.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:21 pm to TideWarrior
Bama isn't nervous about anything
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:43 pm to ColoradoAg
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Bama isn't nervous about anything
I am nervous before every game. I actually would welcome more teams in the conference to challenge us,I believe most UA fans do. I am tired of the majority of our games being lopsided, even in conference, while being criticized for playing a weaker schedule from those around the country. So yes I hope aTm and others can challenge us every game.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:55 am to ColoradoAg
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Bama isn't nervous about anything
This is what so many people fail to understand....so yes, I agree with you.
Georgia is stronger than we had been in the past. Texas A&M is stronger than they have been in the past. LSU is still strong, and will win big from time to time.
But none of that in any way affects Alabama. Alabama will still recruit at the top of the heap. Alabama still has Nick Saban. Alabama will still be the team to best. For any of the other three teams to get to the top we still have to go through Alabama.
Congrats to A&M. You guys have come a long way. Earlier you had an excellent team, but your success (Rightfully or not) seemed to depend of Johnny Manziel and seemed tenuous at best. Now you seem to be laying the groundwork for continued success and appear to be here for the long term. That only makes the SEC stronger.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 6:58 am to TideWarrior
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while being criticized for playing a weaker schedule from those around the country.
I wouldn't pay much attention to those people. The same people criticizing Alabama for playing a weak schedule would shake in fear at the prospect of playing in the SEC West year in and year out. Facing LSU, Auburn, and now a rejuvenated Texas A&M year in and year out is not easy. Then facing Georgia or Florida in the SECCG only to move on to the playoffs? Only trolls scoff at that schedule.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:30 am to DawgsLife
At the end of the day, many of the top recruits left on the board are going to sit back and watch from a performance perspective. Meaning...who is winning and how are they winning?
While some kids absolutely do go to teams that have struggled with consistent winning ways, there is no doubt that a great majority of them want to go to CFP team. This is where UT likely has a fairly big gap to bridge. They are rebuilding their entire program. A&M is already there. Fisher is now building for massive depth across all positions and certainly has to prove that he is the real deal by winning at least 10 games this year considering a freshman QB.
Kids also want to go to the a school that is resonating with other top athletes. Much like Dabo and Clemson several years ago...they were the sexy new girl and were outrecruiting everyone. They havent fallen much but Clemson isn't the hot new girl any longer. Still hot...just showing a slight bit of age. I see A&M as the hot new girl on the street. And hopefully like Clemson they will remain a hot girl around town. Lots of momentum in Aggieland and kids are excited and talking about their program. Immensely helpful to their recruiting efforts with the sexy factor.
We may not get him as in the running for several of the top remaining recruits but no doubt we will have a stacked 2022 defensive and offensive line....again. Fisher clearly puts immense value in his lineman and most are buying what he is selling.
While some kids absolutely do go to teams that have struggled with consistent winning ways, there is no doubt that a great majority of them want to go to CFP team. This is where UT likely has a fairly big gap to bridge. They are rebuilding their entire program. A&M is already there. Fisher is now building for massive depth across all positions and certainly has to prove that he is the real deal by winning at least 10 games this year considering a freshman QB.
Kids also want to go to the a school that is resonating with other top athletes. Much like Dabo and Clemson several years ago...they were the sexy new girl and were outrecruiting everyone. They havent fallen much but Clemson isn't the hot new girl any longer. Still hot...just showing a slight bit of age. I see A&M as the hot new girl on the street. And hopefully like Clemson they will remain a hot girl around town. Lots of momentum in Aggieland and kids are excited and talking about their program. Immensely helpful to their recruiting efforts with the sexy factor.
We may not get him as in the running for several of the top remaining recruits but no doubt we will have a stacked 2022 defensive and offensive line....again. Fisher clearly puts immense value in his lineman and most are buying what he is selling.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 12:59 pm to FootsFanatic
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At the end of the day, many of the top recruits left on the board are going to sit back and watch from a performance perspective. Meaning...who is winning and how are they winning?
While some kids absolutely do go to teams that have struggled with consistent winning ways, there is no doubt that a great majority of them want to go to CFP team. This is where UT likely has a fairly big gap to bridge. They are rebuilding their entire program. A&M is already there. Fisher is now building for massive depth across all positions and certainly has to prove that he is the real deal by winning at least 10 games this year considering a freshman QB.
I agree with this to a point. NIL is a whole different animal. The best players are looking at college as a means to go to the NFL...otherwise known as getting paid. Now they can get paid while in college. Great players can demand and get top dollar while in college, then go on to the NFL for an even bigger payday. Some players will gravitate towards a lucrative NIL deal.
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Kids also want to go to the a school that is resonating with other top athletes. Much like Dabo and Clemson several years ago...they were the sexy new girl and were outrecruiting everyone. They havent fallen much but Clemson isn't the hot new girl any longer. Still hot...just showing a slight bit of age. I see A&M as the hot new girl on the street. And hopefully like Clemson they will remain a hot girl around town. Lots of momentum in Aggieland and kids are excited and talking about their program. Immensely helpful to their recruiting efforts with the sexy factor.
Maybe, maybe not. Look at pro sports. Top players sign with inferior teams all the time because of money...or the thought of being the big dog on a team.
Not all athletes are driven by championships.
quote:Texas A&M, from what I am hearing and reading is putting together excellent NIL packages. If that translates into the playoffs and/or a championship, then Texas A&M could be here to stay.
We may not get him as in the running for several of the top remaining recruits but no doubt we will have a stacked 2022 defensive and offensive line....again. Fisher clearly puts immense value in his lineman and most are buying what he is selling.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 1:37 pm to TideWarrior
We had a pretty big recruiting disadvantage from 1894 to 1965.
A&M was set up as the first Public Institution of Higher Learning in Texas in 1876. The purpose of the Agriculture and Mechanical College of Texas was to allow poor farm kids to be able to afford a college education in exchange for military service.
A&M became co-ed in 1969 and mandatory Corps membership ended in 1965. Scholarship limits were put into place in 1973.
These three actions put us on a level playing field with t.u. for recruiting in Texas. We are actually 19-19 since then.
Texas A&M is on a hot streak in recruiting right now and I think we're definitely on the right track. We came to the SEC to get BETTER and it's working.
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A&M was set up as the first Public Institution of Higher Learning in Texas in 1876. The purpose of the Agriculture and Mechanical College of Texas was to allow poor farm kids to be able to afford a college education in exchange for military service.
A&M became co-ed in 1969 and mandatory Corps membership ended in 1965. Scholarship limits were put into place in 1973.
These three actions put us on a level playing field with t.u. for recruiting in Texas. We are actually 19-19 since then.
Texas A&M is on a hot streak in recruiting right now and I think we're definitely on the right track. We came to the SEC to get BETTER and it's working.
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 1:50 pm to KellerChrystFan
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Yep - Butch Jones, Jeremy Pruitt and Derek Dooley all pulled several 5 stars with no success on the field to lean on. And year 1 is always the easiest to sell since it doesn’t matter what your product on the field is.
You proved a point. Coach stability at Tennessee is sorely lacking. Recruits value stability highly and Jimbo and his staff have it in spades.
I don't know where the young man will go but it would be a mistake to count Jimbo out on a DL of it until the fax has been received. Jimbo and his staff recruited on a higher level than Alabama at DL last year.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 2:01 pm to FishFearMe
Rodney Garner's track record with recruiting, developing and ultimately sending kids to the NFL is a big selling point and likely the biggest reason UT is in the mix outside of Marlon walls. He's consistently been one of the best if not the best DL coach in the conference for years. I don't think Tennessee is in this position without him.
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