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re: Van Jefferson chooses Florida over Michigan
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:07 am to GatorBait24
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:07 am to GatorBait24
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Urban Meyer and Nick Saban
Really hard to beat both of these guys for a recruit.
Shoot then talk - Tuco
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:08 am to Quicksilver
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He'll be a RS JR in terms of NCAA eligibility. I think that matters more than academic standing.
If Van is one and done for us, great. That likely means a high NFL pick and a great season for us.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:44 am to TJGator1215
TJ laying the smack down on other Florida posters may be my favorite part about this board
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:01 am to Gatorbait2008
Florida having a big week. Mullen putting to bed the talk he can't recruit.
Congrats, guys!
Congrats, guys!
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:27 am to mountain D values
TJ has only really been spot on about the obvious. That MAc sucked. But a few of us were with him on that. The evidence was obvious after two years things weren't looking right.
The Mullen hate is just absurd though. Guy took the second worst program in the SEC, in the toughest division by large in CFB during some of the best periods in Auburn, Bama, and LSU history and made them a player. That's ridiculously good coaching.
But he wanted Taggart. The guy with a losing record who's recruiting for most of his career was on par with other coaches at WKU and USF(average class rankings almost exactly the same).
Basically he didn't get what he wanted..so he is going to pout.
The Mullen hate is just absurd though. Guy took the second worst program in the SEC, in the toughest division by large in CFB during some of the best periods in Auburn, Bama, and LSU history and made them a player. That's ridiculously good coaching.
But he wanted Taggart. The guy with a losing record who's recruiting for most of his career was on par with other coaches at WKU and USF(average class rankings almost exactly the same).
Basically he didn't get what he wanted..so he is going to pout.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:28 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:36 am to Gatorbait2008
frick off CHIP
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:48 am to Gatorbait2008
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TJ has only really been spot on about the obvious. That MAc sucked. But a few of us were with him on that. The evidence was obvious after two years things weren't looking right.
You guys fricking murdered him for how negative he was about Mac. There were literally like 2 guys who half-assedly agreed with him... he was right, you frickers were wrong... own that shite. quote:
The Mullen hate is just absurd though. Guy took the second worst program in the SEC, in the toughest division by large in CFB during some of the best periods in Auburn, Bama, and LSU history and made them a player. That's ridiculously good coaching.
He was your third choice at best... he has a TERRIBLE record against ranked teams (2-16? can't recall for certain), it's been shown numerous times how he basically made his bones on beating bad teams that he *should* in fact beat. That doesn't make him a bad hire, but he's likely not a program changing hire for Florida either based on his existing resume... that doesn't mean he *won't* be... but it's not super encouraging either. Lastly, he's not known as a great recruiter... he has been a diamond miner... if he can show early success, it might be enough to get the wheels of the UF machine moving again, but suffice it to say the end of the Muschamp era + Mac have rusted that bitch to immobile capacity right now. He's got work to do.
Best periods in LSU history would hardly be defined as the last 5 years. Similarly for Auburn, they are inconsistent. They've been very up at times, but also very down during that period. Alabama is the only program in the west that was consistently great during his tenure at MSU.
Alabama - 0-9
Auburn - 3-6
LSU - 2-7
As to Taggart, the only benefit I could see him giving is recruiting... I don't see him as a guy who improves the program drastically, so would say he isn't a better hire than Mullen... so we can agree on that. In fact, I see him being at FSU as a plus for you guys as well... you upgraded (maybe not by as much as you'd have liked) while they downgraded... in-state recruiting gets easier, and one fewer likely loss most seasons.
TJ is no better or worse than any of the other Gator posters... he simply disagrees with a lot of you and you guys berate the shite out of when he's wrong and downplay when he's right... it's mob mentality.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:05 pm to fibonaccisquared
Well if you look back. I was one who agreed with him. I got murdered too. Go read some of Straws and my back and forth's on the forum.
No one in Miss State history did better than Mullen that consistently. He should beat...very little. Remember Miss STate is like Vandy. Want to tell me Franklin isn't a good coach? Yet how many ranked teams did he beat at Vandy? Mullen faced substantially better schools, at a very bad athletic school. He had literally no advantages over any West program. Facilities, stadium, city, history, pedigree, all below par for the loaded West. When you have a three star program, and face five star programs, chances of winning are incredibly low. Even Spurrier couldn't win the SEC at South Carolina, a better school than MSU. Want to tell me Spurrier isn't good either because of that?
Mullen joined in 2009. LSU was very good for the first four years. Alabama was a dynasty. Auburn has a title win and a runner up and very good this year. Aggies were consistently good, and had substantially more advantages. Ole Miss had to cheat more than anyone the last decade to stay competitive. Dan did it, without cheating.
He is an idiot who has zero positive things to say. He literally takes the negative every time, just to be negative. I was on the fire Mac train and got beaten down, and banned from 24/7 for it. But there was actual merit behind it. He had proved himself unworthy.
Mullen on the other hand, was literally called the second best coach as recently as this year by many in the SEC.
As for third option. Maybe. Stricklin claims he didn't want to steal from his school so went after equal options. If that's true or not is speculation though I would suggest Kelly was a bigger splash for sure. Frost, well he is a home run, or a bust. Very young coaching career so it was a far bigger risk than Mullen so that part I'm okay with.
Any coach who can get Miss State, the second worst program in the SEC by large into a college football ranking as number 1. Is a good coach. That's damn near impossible.
Proof? Miss State had never been ranked number 1 in a major poll...in their history. Ever.
No one in Miss State history did better than Mullen that consistently. He should beat...very little. Remember Miss STate is like Vandy. Want to tell me Franklin isn't a good coach? Yet how many ranked teams did he beat at Vandy? Mullen faced substantially better schools, at a very bad athletic school. He had literally no advantages over any West program. Facilities, stadium, city, history, pedigree, all below par for the loaded West. When you have a three star program, and face five star programs, chances of winning are incredibly low. Even Spurrier couldn't win the SEC at South Carolina, a better school than MSU. Want to tell me Spurrier isn't good either because of that?
Mullen joined in 2009. LSU was very good for the first four years. Alabama was a dynasty. Auburn has a title win and a runner up and very good this year. Aggies were consistently good, and had substantially more advantages. Ole Miss had to cheat more than anyone the last decade to stay competitive. Dan did it, without cheating.
He is an idiot who has zero positive things to say. He literally takes the negative every time, just to be negative. I was on the fire Mac train and got beaten down, and banned from 24/7 for it. But there was actual merit behind it. He had proved himself unworthy.
Mullen on the other hand, was literally called the second best coach as recently as this year by many in the SEC.
As for third option. Maybe. Stricklin claims he didn't want to steal from his school so went after equal options. If that's true or not is speculation though I would suggest Kelly was a bigger splash for sure. Frost, well he is a home run, or a bust. Very young coaching career so it was a far bigger risk than Mullen so that part I'm okay with.
Any coach who can get Miss State, the second worst program in the SEC by large into a college football ranking as number 1. Is a good coach. That's damn near impossible.
Proof? Miss State had never been ranked number 1 in a major poll...in their history. Ever.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Well if you look back. I was one who agreed with him. I got murdered too. Go read some of Straws and my back and forth's on the forum.
Certainly possible. I can't keep up with which of you gatorbait### frickers is which...
2008=Chip Kelly ... that's the only one I know for certain now. As to Mullen being the best in their history... He's not better than Sherrill by most objective standards, but he's certainly in the top two at a minimum there. That's not nothing.
Comparing them to Vandy is a bit of a mistake. Vandy has some very different limitations to their program in the type of athlete that they can bring in from an academic standards perspective. Additionally, he did what he did in 3 years there... Mullen was in Starkville for 9...
Spurrier had back to back to back 11 win seasons... actually beat ranked teams while at South Carolina, and had a history of elite level success to point to prior to his time there... Couldn't win the SEC, and went 2-16 vs ranked teams are kind of different bars of success no?
Dan did it without cheating... zero taint on that program at all... despite one of the key witnesses in the Ole Miss case receiving immunity and ultimately selecting Miss St. Nevermind that they were considered to be in the "marketplace" for Cam Newton as well... Nothing may have stuck, but spare me the idea that he ran a squeaky clean program.
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Mullen on the other hand, was literally called the second best coach as recently as this year by many in the SEC.
Incorrectly... he was one of the longest tenured coaches, and was not a dumpster fire... it was a small group of coaches that could claim it. Mullen has been consistently average at a school that usually was below average. That is an accomplishment, but you can't be surprised when not everyone is super blown away by the hire. As I said... he may turn out to be great, but it's not a surefire thing. No coaching hire is really. He's got a higher floor than Frost probably, but a lower ceiling IMO. All depends on what you consider riskier...
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Any coach who can get Miss State, the second worst program in the SEC by large into a college football ranking as number 1. Is a good coach. That's damn near impossible.
Proof? Miss State had never been ranked number 1 in a major poll...in their history. Ever.
How did they finish that season?
Plenty of teams make a number 1 ranking and don't necessarily deserve it. Product of schedule and timing. They played 3 teams that at the time were ranked in the top 10...
LSU
Texas A&M
Auburn
Every one of those programs finished 8-5 on the season...
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He is an idiot who has zero positive things to say. He literally takes the negative every time, just to be negative. I was on the fire Mac train and got beaten down, and banned from 24/7 for it. But there was actual merit behind it. He had proved himself unworthy.
Not gonna argue with you on this too much as I just don't care enough to continue, but I just think it's a little hypocritical to call him an idiot solely because he's negative... he could do the same for everyone of the gator fans that only takes the positive... it's just the spectrum of fandom. The UF posters who constantly accuse him of being an FSU plant are ridiculous. It would be one of the dumbest long cons in history...
He may be an idiot, but use substantive discussion to prove it, not biased opinion simply because you disagree with his viewpoint. You were on a much better track picking apart his preference for Taggart...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:11 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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If Van is one and done for us, great.
The only way Van is a one and done is if he only has one year of eligibility to give.
You gator fans need to pump the breaks a bit or else you're gonna turn on Van and Dan really fricking quickly. You guys are hyping the shite out of a guy that isn't anywhere near that great. He's a good WR....but not great. Demarcus Lodge isn't a great WR and he was far and away better than Van.
The change of tune from Gator fans when you realize that we know what we're talking about regarding a player that we've been watching closely for 3 years......
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:23 pm to pankReb
It's been a rough season on and off the field for UF. Can't blame them for enjoying some good news.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:40 pm to ATLdawg25
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It's been a rough season on and off the field for UF. Can't blame them for enjoying some good news.
As an Ole Miss fan who knows a LOT about rough seasons......pump the fricking breaks.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:43 pm to pankReb
If you were that familiar, you would know that you should be pumping brakes not breaks
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:53 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Certainly possible.
2008's telling the truth. Him and Finch were pretty much the only ones who shite on McElwain -- but TJ was doing it when we were winning the East and he was actually doing well. Suspensions and stubborness got him fired eventually, at least we know it wouldn't have been so bad if Del Rio (the best QB to run his system) would have started the year.
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Not gonna argue with you on this too much as I just don't care enough to continue, but I just think it's a little hypocritical to call him an idiot solely because he's negative...
No one calls him an idiot for only being negative. We call him an idiot for being negative because outside of McElwain he's wrong about everything.
He wanted Taggart over Mullen.
He talked up USC until USC got beaten by Washington State and skullfricked by Notre Dame. (He was saying injuries didn't matter because USC had injuries -- then they lost miserably.)
Then he talked up Jimbo, and FSU had a terrible year.
Then he talked up Michigan, and they got blown out of the water.
He's right by virtue of being fortunate, not because he really knows anything about football. It's really just a coinflip with him because he argues from a negative standpoint, not one that changes with time and an acceptance that what he says is completely wrong.
When he's chatting up Taggart over Mullen it makes you wonder if he even watches football at all.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He wanted Taggart over Mullen.
I mean... it's an opinion. I think it's wrong, but it doesn't make him categorically stupid.
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He talked up USC until USC got beaten by Washington State and skullfricked by Notre Dame. (He was saying injuries didn't matter because USC had injuries -- then they lost miserably.)
Meh... injuries matter... dumb point. That wasn't the only reason UF was having trouble though... everyone has come around on the idea that Mac wasn't a great coach, IIRC TJ was simply arguing that injuries were insufficient justification for his struggles... but again... it's not exactly something I lie awake at night thinking about.
- Ultimately, they finished as a top 6 team in the CFP, right? In spite of their all world QB being a turnover machine to start the year. I would say he was more right than you guys here... BTW: Notre Dame was a very good team at home... they struggled down the stretch with two road games. They played Miami before they lost 2 critical players. Stanford fricking rode Bryce Love into the ground to get that win...
- this myth that they somehow were awful because of 2 losses on the road is silly. They were a top 10-ish team, but better at home. quote:
Then he talked up Jimbo, and FSU had a terrible year.
Doesn't make Jimbo a bad coach. They had OL problems going into the year. Lost their starting QB and the backup basically had to Jacob Eason his way through the season... run for his life. Cam Akers deserves a fricking medal for being productive at all behind that shite arse OL. I'm a UGA fan... we know shitty OL play. See: 2016
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Then he talked up Michigan, and they got blown out of the water.
This was dumb... :lol: - They were destined to have a step back this season with all of their draft attrition after the 2016 season. I do think they'll be poised for a rebound... I don't like Harbaugh but he's not Butch Jones as the meme pointing out the similarity in their records would like to indicate. He's also arguably playing in one of the most stacked divisions in football in terms of top heavy coaching talent... Meyer, Franklin, and Dantonio? SECW now has Saban, Malzahn, and Fisher?
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He's right by virtue of being fortunate, not because he really knows anything about football. It's really just a coinflip with him because he argues from a negative standpoint, not one that changes with time and an acceptance that what he says is completely wrong.
Ok... time the frick out... who on these boards with any regularity changes their opinion and acknowledges that their completely wrong about something? :lol: You act like you haven't been here for years or something...
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When he's chatting up Taggart over Mullen it makes you wonder if he even watches football at all.
As I said... my opinion is it's silly... Mullen >> Taggart... but it is still just an opinion. Will be interested to see how it actually ends up playing out.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:10 pm to fibonaccisquared
Good job Florida. frick Michigan.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:21 pm to VABuckeye
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Good job Florida. frick Michigan.
I think we can all agree... frick Michigan and frick Jim Harbaugh. I mean... frick Florida and tOSU while we're at it... but I assume you guys won't agree with me on that one.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:22 pm to ATLdawg25
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If you were that familiar, you would know that you should be pumping brakes not breaks
well frick.
It's been a long week.
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