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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:50 pm to
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:50 pm to
I won't be able to find any dunks that prove Green had elite athleticism, because he didn't. Neither did Tobias Harris. Neither does Martin.

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Green three years into college couldn't even handle the ball as well as Martin currently does.
We'll see, I guess.
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:52 pm to
Dunking through the legs in open court during a scrimmage at 6'9" 220-240 is elite athleticism. Doing a backflip after winning the state title this year is elite athleticism for a guy that size.

I know you want to find a flaw and downgrade him, it's what you seem intent on doing regarding LSU basketball.
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:55 pm to
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Who are they adding to replace two of their three highest scorers?

No one of note, so they'll have to replace those guys internally.

Florida lost two of their leading scorers last season (Beal and Walker) and didn't replace them with anyone of note, either. We had to replace them internally with Wilbekin and Rosario. We were fine.

Ole Miss will have to replace Buckner, Holloway, and Williams internally. They'll easily replace Williams imo with Ladarius White. Buckner and Holloway will be tougher to replace, but I don't think Aaron Jones, Anthony Perez, Cox, and the two three-star freshman will be as bad of a frontcourt as everyone is saying it will be. It won't be as good as this season's frontcourt, but I don't think that it's going to be a complete disaster like some seem to think.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:56 pm to
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I won't be able to find any dunks that prove Green had elite athleticism, because he didn't. Neither did Tobias Harris. Neither does Martin.



That's debateable. A guy who can do a backflip at 6'9 225-230 is pretty damn athletic. Not saying he's the most athletic guy to come through colelge ball, but you're not going to find many guys his size about to do a standing backflip either.
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:57 pm to
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Florida lost two of their leading scorers last season (Beal and Walker) and didn't replace them with anyone of note, either. We had to replace them internally with Wilbekin and Rosario. We were fine.



Oh so OM recruits and has the same talent base as Florida? Is that what you're telling us? They've been so talented and great over the last four years that there are teems of guys waiting on the bench to finally get their shot and prove their talent?

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Ole Miss will have to replace Buckner, Holloway, and Williams internally. They'll easily replace Williams imo with Ladarius White. Buckner and Holloway will be tougher to replace, but I don't think Aaron Jones, Anthony Perez, Cox, and the two three-star freshman will be as bad of a frontcourt as everyone is saying it will be. It won't be as good as this season's frontcourt, but I don't think that it's going to be a complete disaster like some seem to think.


Maybe not a complete disaster but I'm certainly not expecting a season similar to this one for them.
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:58 pm to
Meh. This is what elite athleticism looks like:

LINK

or this:

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Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:59 pm to
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Florida lost two of their leading scorers last season (Beal and Walker) and didn't replace them with anyone of note, either. We had to replace them internally with Wilbekin and Rosario. We were fine.



Seriously? As if Rosario and Wilbekin aren't WAY more talented than backups at Ole Miss. Guys who were barely recruited. Rosario was a key contributor scoring wise before this last season. He averaged 6.6 points in just 14 minutes a game. That's really good. Wilbekin also came in as a reserve under Walker and ran the point extremely well, limiting turnovers very well.

Ole Miss backup bigs averaged like 1-2 points a game this season.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:02 pm to
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Meh. This is what elite athleticism looks like:



Those guys are MUCH smaller than Martin. It's a lot easier to look "athletic" at 6'10 and beanpole or 6'8 and thin than 6'9 and 230ish pounds.

What make LeBron considered one of the most athletic players ever in the NBA is the fact he can do anything anyone else can at the size of 6'9/260
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:04 pm to
If the scale for having "elite athleticism" is Wiggins, we can probably say that half the NBA lacks elite athleticism.
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:05 pm to
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Those guys are MUCH smaller than Martin. It's a lot easier to look "athletic" at 6'10 and beanpole or 6'8 and thin than 6'9 and 230ish pounds.

What make LeBron considered one of the most athletic players ever in the NBA is the fact he can do anything anyone else can at the size of 6'9/260





Exactly. It's all relative. I balk at the comparison to Green but they are at a minimum, similar in size. But dissimilar in athleticism IMO.
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:08 pm to
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Oh so OM recruits and has the same talent base as Florida? Is that what you're telling us? They've been so talented and great over the last four years that there are teems of guys waiting on the bench to finally get their shot and prove their talent?

No. Ole Miss' talent level is nowhere near UF's, which is why Florida has to replace players internally to maintain an Elite 8 level program while Ole Miss has to replace players internally to maintain a bubble/NIT level program. Either way, when you have a senior-laden roster, you're going to have to sit your young guys.
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:11 pm to
I just don't understand your argument for OM. Regardless, I'm confident that you'll be proven wrong on that front come next season when Henderson is shooting 40 times a game to try and combat the terrible surrounding cast.
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:14 pm to
Walker isn't as light as he looks. He's fairly thin, but he's pretty muscular and is apparently up to about 220.

Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:16 pm to
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Seriously? As if Rosario and Wilbekin aren't WAY more talented than backups at Ole Miss. Guys who were barely recruited
Well, Wilbekin was a 2* recruit, but otherwise, yeah, Ole Miss isn't nearly as talented as UF. But I'm not saying that Ole Miss will be an Elite 8 team... I'm saying they'll be an NIT team who could possibly be on the bubble. Not exactly setting the bar high.

Also, Aaron Jones averaged 3.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, and 1.6 bpg in about 17 minutes before he got hurt, so he's shown that he's a solid defender and rebounder in limited time, at least. And Anthony Perez and Cox were both 4*s, so to say that they were "barely recruited" is false.

Either way, I'm out. See ya.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:21 pm to
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Well, Wilbekin was a 2* recruit, but otherwise, yeah, Ole Miss isn't nearly as talented as UF. But I'm not saying that Ole Miss will be an Elite 8 team... I'm saying they'll be an NIT team who could possibly be on the bubble. Not exactly setting the bar high


I just don't think their losses support this. They were a 12 seed this year with those guys. Ostensibly, they were a bubble team/NIT team this year based on that seeding (whether accurate or not), and you think they will be in the same boat next year despite losing two of their three best players and not bringing in or having anyone nearly as good.

I just don't get that argument.

This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 11:22 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:32 pm to
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Well, Wilbekin was a 2* recruit, but otherwise, yeah, Ole Miss isn't nearly as talented as UF. But I'm not saying that Ole Miss will be an Elite 8 team... I'm saying they'll be an NIT team who could possibly be on the bubble. Not exactly setting the bar high.



I would be shocked if they are even on the bubble. When you lose 3 starters, haven't recruited well to replace any of them, nor have had any backups step up and look any good, you take a nose dive from where you were previously.


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Also, Aaron Jones averaged 3.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, and 1.6 bpg in about 17 minutes


3.5 points in 17 minutes is pretty bad. Where is any of their scoring going to come from next year in the bigs department? Henderson cant score 30 a game, at least with any sort of efficiency. Hell he didnt average 19 a game efficiently. Sure the rebounding/defense looks good, but Ole Miss is losing their efficient scoring, that's what they need the most. Buckner and Holloway scored well and did it shooting >55%. Maybe one of their bigs will step up and throw down 10-11 a game but what are the chance that gets accomplished anywhere remotely close to those clips?


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Anthony Perez and Cox were both 4*s


Perez was a 3-star, not 4...and Cox has been awful for over 2 years. cox may have been pretty well recruited, but he's proven to be pretty damn bad, so pretty irrelevant at this point.
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