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Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:28 pm to GatorsGators
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:28 pm to GatorsGators
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Again, if everything goes perfectly for LSU next season, then they could compete with UK and UF. I just doubt that everything is going to go perfectly.
I've maintained that I still think UK is heads and shoulders over everyone next season (SEC or even outside the conference), and it's really not a slight against anyone...it's just this is unprecedented pulling in the best class ever in a STRONG year for recruits as well, on top of returning some key, experienced players. To me they just have the perfect blend, and it doesnt hurt to have 7-8 NBA players on your roster at once.
I think we will fight very hard with anyone else in the conference with the roster we have now. No more just running out of steam or being simply outmatched in areas.
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:33 pm to volfan30
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Where do they go against teams who pack it in against JOB and Martin? Let their pair of 5'9 guards chuck it from the perimeter?
Martin can extend outside as well, he's not a 6'9" guy that is going to be confined to sitting down on the block. I think that's why he'll be such a matchup nightmare for teams because his versatility and size is going to make him a very difficult player to defend.
Malik Morgan was a true freshman this year but he has the size and I think he's someone that will only improve.
To be honest though, I'm not really concerned about our size when Stringer and Hickey are in the game. We will be so versatile with a lot of depth that I think we'll be playing a very uptempo style that it won't be very noticeable. The only game where the guard size was so recognizable this year was actually against Tenn and to the lesser extent against Bama in the second game that we won.
But Quarterman is a 6'5" PG so if we truly wanted to next year, we could probably be longer than any team we face. Hence why I'm not very concerned when you think about, at times, having these five players on the court:
Quarterman- 6'5"
Morgan- 6'4"
Martin 6'9"
JOB- 6'9"
odo 6'11"
I'm not saying that's going to be the lineup, but that is the type of options we'll have next year.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:35 pm to GatorsGators
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If the recent comparisons to Jamychal Green and Tobias Harris are accurate, then there's no chance that Martin starts at SF.
You'll be surprised then, because he's been talked about at SF for a long while now. He is athletic enough to guard 3-guards other teams might throw out there and is a huge threat from anywhere on offense. Whether it's the post, mid-range or deep. He is a great fit for SF, and will be a mismatch with whoever he is up against in college. We want to overpower teams next year with length, and Martin/JOB III/Odo combination does just that in the front court. JOB III wants to play PF and that's one reason why Del Piero started this year, JOB III doesn't like playing the 5. He knows the 4 is his NBA position and is trying to develop his game from there.
We like to run and you'll see us press even more than last season, when Morgan especially gets on the court you'll see the perfect press lineup with Hickey playing safety essentially and 6'4/6'7/6'9 guys providing a huge problem on the press.
If we played Martin exclusively at the 4 we are not utilizing his full talents or creating mismatches.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:37 pm to Tiger Authority
I watched Tobias Harris for a full season at the college level, no doubt Martin will be a tough matchup on the offensive end (whether he's playing 3 or 4), but I just can't see him getting very many minutes at the 3 with his body type. It will be very tough on him on the defensive end of the court.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:40 pm to volfan30
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I watched Tobias Harris for a full season at the college level, no doubt Martin will be a tough matchup on the offensive end (whether he's playing 3 or 4), but I just can't see him getting very many minutes at the 3 with his body type. It will be very tough on him on the defensive end of the court.
Martin is really athletic. I'm not worried about him guarding some 6'4/6'5 guards and forcing them to be outside shooters trying to shoot over him. Just because he is big doesnt mean he cant move well. LeBron is 6'9 260 and is arguably the most athletic guy in the NBA.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:42 pm to GatorsGators
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I don't disagree with anything else that you're saying, although most 6'7ish PFs in college are either tremendously strong (Holloway, Maymon) or have a highly-developed perimeter game (Powell). Mickey isn't there yet.
Hardly. Coleman is 6'5" and averaged 10 and 6 this year playing 4 most of the year. Mickey is one of the most athletic guys in the country and I think what he'll really excel at is defending and helping us run an uptempo game. I don't expect him to be a scorer right away but I think his athleticism is off the charts.
To act as if a 6'7" PF in college can't be productive is ludicrous. And I don't think he necessarily has to play PF. The kid went 11-11 from the strike in one of Prime Prep's games on ESPN, so its not as if the kid is completely devoid of scoring away from the basket.
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Again, if everything goes perfectly for LSU next season, then they could compete with UK and UF. I just doubt that everything is going to go perfectly.
This is just bullshite. You talk in such absolutes about the inability of LSU to compete with two teams as if you actually know. You don't. We'll certainly find out next year, but this type of blanket "you have to play perfect basketball to stay on the court with these two teams" is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:43 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:That was before he was 6'9" 230. Most scouts have been comparing him to Jamychal Green and Tobias Harris. You need more than a jump shot and length to play SF. I seriously doubt Martin will play significant minutes there.
You'll be surprised then, because he's been talked about at SF for a long while now.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:46 pm to volfan30
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I watched Tobias Harris for a full season at the college level, no doubt Martin will be a tough matchup on the offensive end (whether he's playing 3 or 4), but I just can't see him getting very many minutes at the 3 with his body type. It will be very tough on him on the defensive end of the court.
As I said, it was a possible lineup. I don't suspect he'll play a ton of 3, but he's capable of doing it as his game is that versatile on the offensive side. You are always going to give up something with these matchups, but it's very specific to which team we're facing. There isn't an abundance of great 3's in the SEC that would pose such a threat on the offensive side that Martin is a huge liability defensively.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:46 pm to GatorsGators
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That was before he was 6'9" 230. Most scouts have been comparing him to Jamychal Green and Tobias Harris. You need more than a jump shot and length to play SF. I seriously doubt Martin will play significant minutes there.
You're going to be surprised then, he's going to play a lot of SF and probably start there. It's also April, Basketball is 6-7 months away right now. A body can be changed a lot in that time frame.
If we play Martin at the 4, we are not giving us any mismatch advantages, plus it means Odo is on the bench to start games and we'd rather Odo start over Mickey or Coleman for rebounding and defensive presence inside.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:48 pm to GatorsGators
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That was before he was 6'9" 230. Most scouts have been comparing him to Jamychal Green and Tobias Harris. You need more than a jump shot and length to play SF. I seriously doubt Martin will play significant minutes there.
ETA: Are you talking about Martin not playing significant minutes at 4? Are you serious? That will likely be the bulk of his minutes.
How is Green a valid comparison? The guy attempted 16 3's in three years.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:54 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:Where the hell did I say that a 6'7" PF can't be effective in college? I just don't expect Mickey to be extremely productive right away, especially with the talent in front of him. He'll probably be a beast in a few years; though, and he will be quality depth this season.
To act as if a 6'7" PF in college can't be productive is ludicrous. And I don't think he necessarily has to play PF. The kid went 11-11 from the strike in one of Prime Prep's games on ESPN, so its not as if the kid is completely devoid of scoring away from the basket.
quote:As do you. None of us truly know what positions these newcomers are capable of playing and are just judging them based on their videos and what scouts are saying. I dunno, maybe LSU will win a national championship this season. But I doubt that they will. Like you said, we'll find out next year.
This is just bullshite. You talk in such absolutes about the inability of LSU to compete with two teams as if you actually know. You don't. We'll certainly find out next year, but this type of blanket "you have to play perfect basketball to stay on the court with these two teams" is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:56 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:No, I'm talking about 3 (or SF).
ETA: Are you talking about Martin not playing significant minutes at 4? Are you serious? That will likely be the bulk of his minutes.
Green wasn't a great three-point shooter, but he did have a nice jump shot out to twenty-or-so feet. Harris is probably a better comparison, although both are valid.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:57 pm to GatorsGators
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Where the hell did I say that a 6'7" PF can't be effective in college? I just don't expect Mickey to be extremely productive right away, especially with the talent in front of him. He'll probably be a beast in a few years; though, and will be quality depth this season.
Yeah I don't expect him to be a scorer right away but I think he's a perfect fit for our offense.
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As do you. None of us truly know what positions these newcomers are capable of playing and are just judging them based on their videos and what scouts are saying. I dunno, maybe LSU will win a national championship this season. But I doubt that they will.
How is saying "I think we can compete for an SEC title" speaking in absolutes? If you are within the top 4-5 teams in the conference, which I think we will be next year, you're invariably competing for an SEC title. OM competed for a title this year.
Saying that LSU has to play absolutely perfect basketball to contend with UF or UK is an absolute.
Where did I say LSU would win a NC? Are you this dense?
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:59 pm to GatorsGators
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No, I'm talking about 3 (or SF).
Green wasn't a great three-point shooter, but he did have a nice jump shot out to twenty-or-so feet. Harris is probably a better comparison, although both are valid.
No, Green wasn't a three point shooter at all. You can't say you weren't great at something that you were never able to do and never did. 16 attempts in 3 years is not trying.
Martin has the ability to step away and hit that shot. Harris is a better comparison if you want to continue to place him in a box.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:06 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:Meh. I didn't word it that way (or didn't mean to, at least). When I say that "everything has to go perfectly" I mean that there are a lot of uncertainties going into the season (heavy reliance on newcomers, short backcourt, head coach has no track record, etc). Contending at the top of the conference is their best case scenario imo. Of course they'll more likely than not be able to compete with UK and UF on an actual basketball court, but over the course of an 18 game season, I think that UK and UF (and possibly UT) will separate themselves from the rest of the pack. That's just imo, so whatever.
Saying that LSU has to play absolutely perfect basketball to contend with UF or UK is an absolute.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:09 pm to Tiger Authority
Take it up with Jerry Meyer if you hate the comparison so much. My point was that while Green wasn't a three-shooter, he was a jump-shooter.
My point was that while Green wasn't a three-shooter, he was a jump-shooter. Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:12 pm to GatorsGators
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heavy reliance on newcomers
Yep, we're relying on Martin to come in and be a good player. That's really the only person that I'm relying on.
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short backcourt
When Stringer and Hickey are in the game together. When anyone else on our roster is in the game at those positions, it won't be short.
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head coach has no track record
meh
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ontending at the top of the conference is their best case scenario imo.
Which is all I've been saying. Not sure where you conjured up this idea that we're arguing over the chances of winning the national title. I'm not, read my posts again and comprehend better.
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That's just imo, so whatever.
At least you're finally recognizing it.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:15 pm to GatorsGators
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Take it up with Jerry Meyer if you hate the comparison so much. My point was that while Green wasn't a three-shooter, he was a jump-shooter.
So when you posted his opinion, you did or din't agree with it? Because if you didn't agree with it, why did you post it? Seemingly, you were pawning it off as your opinion as well.
I don't care who makes the comparison to be honest, it's a bad one IMO. Does Meyer know more about basketball than me? Yes. Does that mean he's not prone to being wrong and making poor assessments of players by forcing a comparison that has to come from the same conference even though said players are not comparable.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:20 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:I've always recognized that; I just didn't think putting "imo" at the end of every sentence was necessary. Apparently it is imo.
At least you're finally recognizing it.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:22 pm to GatorsGators
It's unnecessary, it was more a subtle jab at your continued absolutes.
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