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Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:33 pm to ConwayGamecock
Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:33 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Laugh out loud. I have stated absolutely nothing, but that our schedule was projected to be very tough, but that we were at least in the best position to compete against that schedule, with the large % of upperclass, veteran leadership we will have on the team this season.
As opposed say, to having to play that schedule with a roster full of young, inexperienced players. What is "rose colored" about that statement?
I'll respond based on what I said specifically... you can take NC's comments up with him.
So let's take it back to where this line of conversation started:
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Your quote:
"I think UGA has pushed too hard for other RBs ahead of Bigsby, when all along he thought of himself as a top RB too. I think their latest efforts now may be too little, too late. Bigsby has already made plans...."
To which someone responded:
"Way too early to call anyone a lock anywhere. USC’s schedule is brutal this year."
The comment about a lock was perhaps a misread of your "already made plans" remark, but nonetheless, objectively, it is accurate that South Carolina has a brutal schedule. Preseason #1, 2, and 3 all on the schedule, a road game against what should at a minimum be a top 3 roster in the West (aTm) along with a neutral site game against UNC, a non-gimme against App State. Of the final 10 games that USC will play, all but Tennessee were bowl teams last year.
Meanwhile, South Carolina ranks 45th nationally in returning production last year... so while it may be a veteran team, it's less than 4 of your opponents this year (UT, UF, App, UNC). And it's only 5% or less additional returning production than 4 more opponents (UGA, UA, CU, Mizzou). For that second group, I'd argue that's not a significant enough edge to be an advantage against at least the first 3 that I listed?
Georgia does have a challenging regular season schedule, though not quite as rough due to no Alabama (instead we get ND at home) and getting Texas A&M at home. We replace your UNC game with a GT game that is transitioning from an option to traditional offense. (With that said, we're a QB injury from a pretty disastrous year in all likelihood.) Alabama and Georgia (and Clemson) also while having less returning production are filling those spots with generally top tier recruits.
I think it's completely fair to say that it's rose colored to look at USC's schedule and say "I feel good about this because of our returning talent"... I didn't say insane, or delusional... simply rose colored. It's incredibly optimistic. Will Muschamp has a 1-11 record IIRC against ranked teams during his first 3 years at Carolina... Coupled with a 5-13 record from his time at UF, which was built on rosters composed of significantly stronger recruiting classes.
It's not trolling to point out the high level of optimism required to look at USC's 2019 schedule and feel good about it. I actually think your team will be pretty good this year. I for one sincerely hope you repeat the feat you guys had the last time you played Alabama...
Not sure where you got "hooked" or "trolling" out of my comments, but by all means, continue to get bent the hell out of shape because people are "disrespecting you"... It seems to be the only play that several of you gamecocks have. I wouldn't want to take away your bliss...
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:38 pm to fibonaccisquared
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fibonaccisquared
I'm sorry for the base, I try to be a voice of reason, but some refuse to take off the glasses and stop drinkingvthe Garnet koolade..
We will be lucky to win 7 this year...likely I see us winning 6.
But these guys aren't being sold on success, they are being sold on laying there foundation to success...
Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I'll respond based on what I said specifically... you can take NC's comments up with him.
First off, I know that our FB schedule is going to be very difficult. I have stated several times already in this very thread that I agree with this. So to respond to me by going into further detail on just how difficult that schedule will be - as some sort of attempt on your part to explain...anything - is pretty wanting of comprehension on your part. But you probably don't even understand that.
But you ONE) do not even address what you actually stated in response to me, that I have issue with, and TWO) fail to try to explain that.
Here is my actual comments:
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Most projections have UGA's schedule right behind USC's for the toughest in the SEC this season. And USC plays tough schedules often, but they are in pretty good position with a lot of veteran returning players on both offense and defense to withstand that schedule.
Here is your response:
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Wow... I've heard of rose colored glasses perspective before but just wow...
So since you're in the mood to explain things, start with this, since it's what I have issue with. Explain what is so "rose colored glasses" a perspective about my post: is it my contention that UGA's schedule is right behind USC's in being the toughest in the SEC? Or is it that USC often play tough schedules? Or is it my opinion that USC will be in good position this season to withstand that schedule, due to having a lot of veteran returning players?
And further, I did NOT say anywhere that "I feel good about this because of this or because of that...", so please, do not put words into my posts and try to create strawman arguments to support your trolling responses. I said that it was at least a better situation that we'd go into the season with a team full of veteran players, as opposed to facing it with an alternative type team.
You can explain what you think is "incredibly optimistic" about that position, just to get things started. Along with your explanation to the questions above. It's the effort you should have put into your above post. What you actually spent time on, was just the waste of it.....
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:54 pm to mikeboss550
Seriously, no need to apologize. I think NC's comments were a little over the top, but that's kind of his schtick right now... he's over the top on our DL coach too...
I just take offense when someone takes what was also a pretty innocuous statement from me and tries to imply that I'm trolling. If I troll any team on this board it's gonna be UF... (Just being honest gators... not my fault you won't let me on your board to talk a little shite respectfully)
I think 6 is in the cards. 7 could happen depending on how a few things shake out...
I count 7 wins there with 3 being questionable, but I also see 2 of the likely losses as questionable too... Of course none of this says you can't up and surprise us, Bama, or Clemson, but clearly if we're going with most likely, gotta lean toward the games that are more on even footing talent wise.
I think UNC in Charlotte should be a win for you guys... year 1 for Mack Brown... they return production but year 1 is just difficult for most teams to put things together.
Mizzou is a ? only because I have no idea what they'll look like with Kelly Bryant. I didn't think he was a good passing QB at Clemson, no telling how he'll fit in with their roster yet... big time question mark, but assuming "average" of his outcomes, I think you should win that game even on the road.
I probably should have a ? on the Kentucky W due to recent results, but I just can't see you guys losing that game at home with the amount of lost production they have.
Year 2 for Mullen and showed progress in year 1, but you guys gave them a hell of a game in the swamp last year and this is one of those where I could see Muschamp pulling a "not so fast" against his old employer.
UT should be a W for you all, I think they are at least a year away from putting pieces together for real, but it's on the road and I do think Pruitt can coach... If Chaney can put together a functional offense up there in year 1 they could give you more trouble than you want.
A&M - I think this is a likely loss for you guys, but they have a brutal schedule too... year 2 for Jimbo there but only 55% returning production and less than 50% of defensive production returning (ranked 102 nationally) could make it tough to actualize a lot of that "year 2 boost". If they've taken a few bad L's at this point, motivation could be tough this late - not to mention with their SEC super bowl (LSU) coming up the next week.
My only point previously was even if you go 7-5... that's still tough to get a kid excited about. Not impossible, but not exactly "sell itself" mode either.
I just take offense when someone takes what was also a pretty innocuous statement from me and tries to imply that I'm trolling. If I troll any team on this board it's gonna be UF... (Just being honest gators... not my fault you won't let me on your board to talk a little shite respectfully
) I think 6 is in the cards. 7 could happen depending on how a few things shake out...
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UNC - W?
Charleston So - W
Alabama - L
@ Mizzou - W?
Kentucky - W
bye
@UGA - L
UF - L?
@UT - W?
Vandy - W
App St - W
@Texas A&M - L?
Clemson - L
I count 7 wins there with 3 being questionable, but I also see 2 of the likely losses as questionable too... Of course none of this says you can't up and surprise us, Bama, or Clemson, but clearly if we're going with most likely, gotta lean toward the games that are more on even footing talent wise.
I think UNC in Charlotte should be a win for you guys... year 1 for Mack Brown... they return production but year 1 is just difficult for most teams to put things together.
Mizzou is a ? only because I have no idea what they'll look like with Kelly Bryant. I didn't think he was a good passing QB at Clemson, no telling how he'll fit in with their roster yet... big time question mark, but assuming "average" of his outcomes, I think you should win that game even on the road.
I probably should have a ? on the Kentucky W due to recent results, but I just can't see you guys losing that game at home with the amount of lost production they have.
Year 2 for Mullen and showed progress in year 1, but you guys gave them a hell of a game in the swamp last year and this is one of those where I could see Muschamp pulling a "not so fast" against his old employer.
UT should be a W for you all, I think they are at least a year away from putting pieces together for real, but it's on the road and I do think Pruitt can coach... If Chaney can put together a functional offense up there in year 1 they could give you more trouble than you want.
A&M - I think this is a likely loss for you guys, but they have a brutal schedule too... year 2 for Jimbo there but only 55% returning production and less than 50% of defensive production returning (ranked 102 nationally) could make it tough to actualize a lot of that "year 2 boost". If they've taken a few bad L's at this point, motivation could be tough this late - not to mention with their SEC super bowl (LSU) coming up the next week.
My only point previously was even if you go 7-5... that's still tough to get a kid excited about. Not impossible, but not exactly "sell itself" mode either.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:59 pm to mikeboss550
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To be honest i thin you said 6-6....i just have us 7-5 to 5-7 with WTF of 9-3 on 2-10 this class scares me, it has huge implications.
NCDawg52 said 6-6. You wish to try again? If you're gonna respond to me and apologize for me to others, at least you'd have the fairness and decency to know exactly what for. I for one am still wondering if you even know what you are responding to, and about....
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
I just look at it like this....no way IN HELL we have the same injury riddled season again.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:06 pm to ConwayGamecock
Again...you should look at how im responded to by other ranters and my respect on our board before you pick a fight....there is a reason I'm taken more seriously than those, like you who look through garnet glasses.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:12 pm to ConwayGamecock
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But you probably don't even understand that
Complains about posts that he believes are trolling him... leads off with this... Good way to have a productive discussion there...
I suppose I can go and define words that you used so that you can understand what the big kids are talking about...
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they are in pretty good position with a lot of veteran returning players on both offense and defense to withstand that schedule.
withstand -
"to resist successfully"
"remain undamaged or unaffected by"
"to be strong enough, or not be changed by something, or to oppose a person or thing successfully"
I think it's fair to say it requires a healthy dose of optimism to say that South Carolina in 2019 is in a good position to be "unaffected" by the difficulty level of your schedule or to have "successful opposition"
As you'll see above, I give you more credit than some of your own fans do likely... so it's not that I think you're going to have some abysmal 2-10 season... just that if you're going to go out on a limb with statements like:
"The staff is building the depth of talent for the future, and Bigsby will be a big part of that"
It seems to imply that you feel either 1) your results in the year will be good enough to not dissuade them, or 2) that in spite of your results the kid is going to pick you because of the great job that you've done recruiting him... Again, this requires optimism and a pretty Pollyanna look at recruiting.
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Explain what is so "rose colored glasses" a perspective about my post: is it my contention that UGA's schedule is right behind USC's in being the toughest in the SEC? Or is it that USC often play tough schedules? Or is it my opinion that USC will be in good position this season to withstand that schedule, due to having a lot of veteran returning players?
1) UGA's is "right behind" USC - it may be behind, I'd say I covered in the previous response that there is enough substantial difference between them as to not make them particularly comparable... More importantly, the expected results against those schedules are markedly different... Given that we were discussing the likelihood of season results (and their impact on recruiting) when we went down this road, that would seemingly matter here, no?
2) USC may often play tough schedules... but they don't often play the preseason #1, 2, and 3 teams in the same season... That's like saying, I like spicy food when you eat "hot" Pace Picante salsa and then trying out a Carolina Reaper based hot sauce... they just aren't equivalent.
3) See above...
There's simply no need to get so aggressively bent out of shape bud. You're tilting at windmills here against a guy who thinks you probably go 7-5 next season... If you have a problem with that, tell me what you think I've said that is so wildly inaccurate.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:15 pm to mikeboss550
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I just look at it like this....no way IN HELL we have the same injury riddled season again.
Dude... you better edit that shite... There is already at least one Cockaboose filling up with dudes ready to lynch your arse if anything goes wrong...
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:17 pm to fibonaccisquared
Hahail if so let it fill, no way we have that many injuries this year
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:18 pm to ConwayGamecock
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I for one am still wondering if you even know what you are responding to, and about....
Hey, there is a 72% likelihood that Mikeboss has no idea what button/key he is pressing on his keyboard, but he's by far and away one of the best Gamecock posters on these boards. I have a sneaking suspicion he was not referring to a specific record you stated in this thread, and rather what he recalled you posting as likely on your board (thus the "to be honest" qualification rather than just going back a page or two in this thread), though I'll allow him to speak for himself.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:20 pm to mikeboss550
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no way we have that many injuries this year
By the time of the UF game, what was the injury situation of your defense? The gators are mighty proud of their 2nd half in that game.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:21 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Hey, there is a 72% likelihood that Mikeboss has no idea what button/key he is pressing on his keyboard,
That's generous, haha...but Id celebrate a 6-6 season this year
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:26 pm to mikeboss550
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Again...you should look at how im responded to by other ranters and my respect on our board before you pick a fight....there is a reason I'm taken more seriously than those, like you who look through garnet glasses.
Well I won't be regarded well by fans of other teams because I won't attack fans of my team and side with those fans when there is no justification, and that is damn fricking fine by me.
But of course you cannot justify your earlier posts, but just side with the UGA fan. I have made no statement in this thread about win-loss records for USC, I made about the most bland, benign, innocent statement of fan support for my team for the 2019 season as a fan on this site can make, and get called delusion, insane, and wearing rose-colored glasses for it.
And then you run in give those posters virtual handjobs as fast as you can, with no support or justification for your position whatsoever. So, of course you're well thought of around here....I just try to be simple fan of a college sports program, and post positive comments regarding them. You obviously work hard to gain e-cred and be the big man on the message board campus, because that means something to you. Keep at it, Mr. Tryhard.....
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:30 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Well I won't be regarded well by fans of other teams because I won't attack fans of my team and side with those fans when there is no justification, and that is damn fricking fine by me.
You legit attacked me...but sure keep up youre "I'M NUMBER 1 CAMPAIGN" I'm sure momma loves it.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:34 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Complains about posts that he believes are trolling him... leads off with this... Good way to have a productive discussion there...
I suppose I can go and define words that you used so that you can understand what the big kids are talking about...
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withstand -
"to resist successfully"
"remain undamaged or unaffected by"
"to be strong enough, or not be changed by something, or to oppose a person or thing successfully"
I think it's fair to say it requires a healthy dose of optimism to say that South Carolina in 2019 is in a good position to be "unaffected" by the difficulty level of your schedule or to have "successful opposition"
You're reaching, and just being a troll. You can STFU any time now, OK?
My post was still 3rd-grade bland, when it comes to supporting my team for this season. Perhaps YOU expect me to post that our team will die on the field when we play UGA - that there will be multiple broken spines, head trauma, that players will fall to the ground into fetal positions for the next 3 decades as a result, before you'll post, "OK, that sounds reasonable"....
But South Carolina has played tough schedules before - we had the no. 1 toughest schedule for 2010 by most online sources, and also had a very tough one for either 2007 or 2008 - maybe both of them. Those years we won 7 games and were disappointed in both, and 2010 we won 9.
That has nothing to do with 2019, though. But again, I haven't said we'd win the East, or anything like that. I just stated that we're in the best possible position for such a schedule.
And having a "healthy does of optimism" is pretty commonplace for any fan of their teams, for all sports. It typically does NOT require responses of "WOW", and "rose colored glasses", especially when I haven't even predicted a win-loss in this thread: truly, I could think our team will go 4-8 on the season, and my above post would still stand as being a reasonable, credible post. And you called it "rose-colored glasses"?, and give a lame defense of your troll attempt....
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:36 pm to ConwayGamecock
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of course you cannot justify your earlier posts, but just side with the UGA fan. I have made no statement in this thread about win-loss records for USC, I made about the most bland, benign, innocent statement of fan support for my team for the 2019 season as a fan on this site can make, and get called delusion, insane, and wearing rose-colored glasses for it.
Of course I cannot. .its called not burning sources...you clearly are an idio in terms of journalism.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:38 pm to ConwayGamecock
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And then you run in give those posters virtual handjobs as fast as you can, with no support or justification for your position whatsoever. So, of course you're well thought of around here....I just try to be simple fan of a college sports program, and post positive comments regarding them. You obviously work hard to gain e-cred and be the big man on the message board campus, because that means something to you. Keep at it, Mr. Tryhard.....
Yes years Of UGA swooping in and grabbing our GA commits are me handjobbing them..take off the fricking glasses and realize I'm being realistic
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:42 pm to mikeboss550
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You legit attacked me...but sure keep up youre "I'M NUMBER 1 CAMPAIGN" I'm sure momma loves it.
When you apologize for a poster, you are attacking them when you have no reasonable logic for it. You framed your apology as if I had made some hyper-delusional prediction that USC would win the SEC, or play in the CFP. You spoke of drinking garnet koolade, and gave opinions of how you thought the Gamecocks would do for 2019:
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I'm sorry for the base, I try to be a voice of reason, but some refuse to take off the glasses and stop drinkingvthe Garnet koolade..
We will be lucky to win 7 this year...likely I see us winning 6.
But these guys aren't being sold on success, they are being sold on laying there foundation to success...
Typical grade-school brown-nosing. WHen I hadn't made any such statements. That's why I asked you to go find any posts I made in this thread, where I made such comments. You try lamely to confuse me with a post from a UGA poster, and you still haven't found any garnet koolade posts in here from me, because I never made any.
Yet you brown-nose the same, and apologize for me? When the argument didn't even involve you, or was about you? GFY and GTFO.....
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:44 pm to mikeboss550
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Of course I cannot. .its called not burning sources...you clearly are an idio in terms of journalism.
WTF are you talking about, kid. Burning sources??? The earlier posts I am talking about, are the posts you made personally regarding ME. Geeze Louise, go fall back into your bottle. Try to ACT like you can retreat gracefully......
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:46 pm
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