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Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:40 pm to Long Dawg
I understand and its not truly official for months. I just don't think "it's all about the bag man" for someone choosing between Mizzou and OU
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:50 pm to Naked Bootleg
What’s your point? You could argue easily that Mizzou has had more success on defense and defensive line than OU.
Mizzou is the home state team. What makes OU stand out? Probably the worst OU team last year and likely this year.
Mizzou is the home state team. What makes OU stand out? Probably the worst OU team last year and likely this year.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:00 pm to Long Dawg
This was posted in Nov 2017:
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
This is kinda amazing: In the past FIVE seasons #Clemson's starting DEs have each had AT LEAST 10.5 TFLs & combined for 169.5 TFLs. And w/ the exception of Shaq Lawson (14-15) & Vic Beasley (13-14), it's been all new different DEs each year. BTW Brent Venables showed up in 2012.
10:59 AM · Nov 21, 2017
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Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
This is kinda amazing: In the past FIVE seasons #Clemson's starting DEs have each had AT LEAST 10.5 TFLs & combined for 169.5 TFLs. And w/ the exception of Shaq Lawson (14-15) & Vic Beasley (13-14), it's been all new different DEs each year. BTW Brent Venables showed up in 2012.
10:59 AM · Nov 21, 2017
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This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:44 pm to OU Guy
Yeah. Venables was quite good….at Clemson.
As you so stated - Nov 2017
This is class of 2024.
As you so stated - Nov 2017
This is class of 2024.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:51 pm to Long Dawg
He kept it up until he left. He has history of doing well and putting kids into NFL. Someome above tried to downplay it but his track record is great.
He has 3 championship rings from 2 colleges as DC so has a much better track record than Mizzou in that regard.
He has 3 championship rings from 2 colleges as DC so has a much better track record than Mizzou in that regard.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:16 pm to OU Guy
Did OU hire Venables as the DC or HC?
That’s a damn good hire by Lincoln Riley to get Venables to make a lateral move to OU.
That’s a damn good hire by Lincoln Riley to get Venables to make a lateral move to OU.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:52 pm to kczoutiger
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That is not true, he can be paid legally when the law goes into effect.
Nope. Not until he signs a letter of intent. Very clear in House Bill 417.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:45 am to Naked Bootleg
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I understand and its not truly official for months. I just don't think "it's all about the bag man" for someone choosing between Mizzou and OU
It's rarely only about the bag man. There are some kids that the money is the only thing that sways them.
That said, there are plenty of reasons a kid would pick either of these schools.
Positives: Mizzou is home team, close to family, develops DLine well, plays in the SEC, willing to spend big bucks with NIL.
Negatives: Traditionally not a power. Probably will not play in the playoffs. Less exposure...but that does not affect the NFL finsing him or seeing him.
Oklahoma positives: Great history. Seemingly defensive oriented defensive staff that develops DLinemen well(Venables), Closer to home than Georgia, willing to spend NIL money, early playing time.
Negatives: New coaching staff struggling right now, farther from home than Mizzou, uncertainty around coaching staff as far as winning (so far)
Georgia positives: Back to back, great recent history of development of DLinemen.
Negatives: Deep defensive depth, unwillingness to spend as much NIL upfront, coaching staff probably more fluid (Position coaches and coordinators), farther away from home
Pluses and minuses to all three. And kids don't fully know what to expect once the leave home....it's a scary thing for them.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:53 am to CelticTiger
It has been reported in the last week or so that the language within the law is interpreted as an agreement, it does not specifically call out letter of intent. The thought is that the student athlete can sign an financial agreement with the University and begin NIL compensation.
Yes, it does not bind the student athlete like an NLI would, and the player can back out.
Yes, it does not bind the student athlete like an NLI would, and the player can back out.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:02 am to kczoutiger
OU is back in front Missouri trying to get last crack at him … Sooners feeling good ….
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:39 am to kczoutiger
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It has been reported in the last week or so that the language within the law is interpreted as an agreement, it does not specifically call out letter of intent.
I will concede that the language does say “athletic letter of intent or other written agreement”
It will be interesting to see if anyone does start to get paid before the official LOI is signed.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:02 am to Long Dawg
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Mizzou is the home state team. What makes OU stand out? Probably the worst OU team last year and likely this year.
Cmon dude say it with a straight face atleast … we were bashing UGA for 30 plus years dont get to cocky .
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:21 am to Long Dawg
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Yeah. Venables was quite good….at Clemson.
If he gets to recruit his guys why would he not be good at OU, at least on that side of the ball?
I get in past interactions with you that you're just really biased (and thats a nice way to put it), but this is an especially bad take.
Kirby barely survived Nicholls state his first year, and he didn't have to deal with losing a ton of players to USC in the transfer portal his first year like Venables.
I think theres still a chance Venables ends up flaming out as a HC and is back as a DC somewhere in 2-3 years, but you're beyond a moron if you are writing him off already.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:24 am to MOJO_ERASER
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Cmon dude say it with a straight face atleast … we were bashing UGA for 30 plus years dont get to cocky .
OU is a great historicial program - would never say otherwise. Heck, I loved those old Barry Switzer teams. There are a lot of teams I hate - but OU isn't one of them - at least yet - LOL.
All I'm saying is - OU and OU fans shouldn't be too cocky right now about anything with the program - at least wait until one season on the field.
You are incredibly optimistic and you should be - you are an OU fan - but on recruiting and otherwise - sign the class, put up the 9-3 or 10-2 season - then at least then the supreme confidence is justified.
As to Nwareni specifically, I am looking around and everything I see right now is saying MIZZOU. I know UGA is trying to hang in the recruitment but our insider(SoFL) has already said they won't compete at the highest level w/ MIZZOU on the size of the bag. I don't see OU in a position where if this turns into the most important thing being the bag - that he is taking less to go to OU.
To beat hometown Mizzou, OU is going to have to pony up. UGA wouldn't match FSU for KJ Bolden and that recruitment was much more personal for Kirby who was his primary recruiter for 4 years. The DAWGS would love, love,love to get Nwareni - but just don't see it if NIL is as big a factor as I believe it is.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:34 pm to Long Dawg
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To beat hometown Mizzou, UT is going to have to pony up.
My source are saying that Spyre Sports Group in Knoxville has made a significant offer. Saying it’s almost in line with what Nico received. Rumblings around K-Town is $1.5 million for every year he stays at UT. Deal could be potentially worth $6 million if he stays all four years.
Where ever he goes it’s only going to be for 3 years I figure. So $4.5 million for 3 years is a big offer for a college kid.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:44 pm to Long Dawg
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OU is a great historicial program - would never say otherwise. Heck, I loved those old Barry Switzer teams. There are a lot of teams I hate - but OU isn't one of them - at least yet - LOL.
All I'm saying is - OU and OU fans shouldn't be too cocky right now about anything with the program - at least wait until one season on the field.
You are incredibly optimistic and you should be - you are an OU fan - but on recruiting and otherwise - sign the class, put up the 9-3 or 10-2 season - then at least then the supreme confidence is justified.
As to Nwareni specifically, I am looking around and everything I see right now is saying MIZZOU. I know UGA is trying to hang in the recruitment but our insider(SoFL) has already said they won't compete at the highest level w/ MIZZOU on the size of the bag. I don't see OU in a position where if this turns into the most important thing being the bag - that he is taking less to go to OU.
To beat hometown Mizzou, OU is going to have to pony up. UGA wouldn't match FSU for KJ Bolden and that recruitment was much more personal for Kirby who was his primary recruiter for 4 years. The DAWGS would love, love,love to get Nwareni - but just don't see it if NIL is as big a factor as I believe it is.
One losing season in the past 20+ years isn't going to shake any Sooner fan's confidence, and no, this season isn't going to be any sort of repeat. Not even close.
There's a lot more going on with Nwaneri's recruitment than some silly NIL bag, and the vast majority of those things favor OU by a wide margin. I have no idea what you're looking at that favors Mizzou so heavily unless it's tweets from Mizzou fans themselves, because I don't see that.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:12 pm to CharlotteSooner
Please tell me what objectively favors OU other than the size of the bag with regards to the program today?
New coach
New conference
Lack of team success
Lack of defensive success
If Venables has another poor season, how stable is his tenure? I doubt there would be a lot of booster patience.
New coach
New conference
Lack of team success
Lack of defensive success
If Venables has another poor season, how stable is his tenure? I doubt there would be a lot of booster patience.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:26 pm to CharlotteSooner
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One losing season in the past 20+ years isn't going to shake any Sooner fan's confidence, and no, this season isn't going to be any sort of repeat. Not even close.
What happens if you go 5-7 or 6-6 this year? Are you ready to fire BV and move on? Or does he get 4 years to suck before he turns it around?
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:11 pm to Long Dawg
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Please tell me what objectively favors OU other than the size of the bag with regards to the program today?
New coach
New conference
Lack of team success
Lack of defensive success
If Venables has another poor season, how stable is his tenure? I doubt there would be a lot of booster patience.
Love posts like this writing off OU and their history.
Not a new coach will be year 2
Not a new conf this year but recruits are lookikg at us going go SEC and its given us a bump
Lack of team succes lol see below
Lack of defense. True for Riley and Bob had slid his later years. But BV is that guy and has oriven success with 3 rings at 2 schools.
As for team success:
OU is either the 2nd or 3rd best program of the modern era, and an argument can be made they're the best (in spite of Saban's run). Since the end of WWII (77 years), they've had 60 ranked seasons (best in CFB), won 7 NCs (2nd best in CFB) by 3 HCs (best in CFB), & finished in the Top 3 an add'l 24 times (best in CFB) by 5 HCs. And mind you, they've only had 7 HCs that've coached more than 2 seasons since WWII. So 5 of 7 HCs at OU have been a hit. Since 2000:
Oklahoma
* 23 seasons
* 1x National Championship
* 3x NC Runner-Up
* 4x NC Semi-Finalist
They've been a Top 4 team in 35% of the seasons this millennia.
So they have a lot to sell recruits and going to SEC is opening recruits eyes. Staff is great and come from great teams.
I’ll be around all year but last year was a fluke.
I flipped the 1 score wins in 2021 to losses and the 1 score losses in 2022 to wins. This shows how close we were to a worse 2021 and a better 2022. Yes the records stand but it shows we were not as bad last year and were not as good in 2021.
2021: 11-2. Flip 1 score wins to losses it is 5-8
2022: 6-7. Flip 1 score losses to wins it is 11-2
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