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re: Myles Murphy commits tonight to Clemson or Auburn
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:51 pm to DawgRff
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:51 pm to DawgRff
Aren't you the same one who was saying Justin Rogers was a "must get" for us? 
Nolan Smith is not a DL in our system, nor was he recruited by Tray Scott. LINK /
BOTH his primary and secondary recruiters were LB coaches for us.
Travon Walker was a dawg lock, regardless of who recruited him. Hell... Kipp Adams (90% correct for the 2019 cycle) one of our better/more important "crystal ball" guys CB'd him in March of 2017... 1 month after Scott had been hired... pretty sure his confidence didn't come because of the hire. Walker wanted to play in Athens.
Ultimately, it's accurate to say that DL has been our worst recruited position since Kirby got here... Scott was hired *specifically* to change that... and it has not happened yet. Doesn't mean it *can't*... just that he needs to show some life this year... Go grab more than just what is easy. We have playing time for next year and if he can't give it away to elite talent, that's troubling.
You can offer up a free pass for the guy if you want. I've *personally* been telling everyone to give him his time, but at this point, it's up. Over 2 full years on staff already, working on your 3rd full cycle of recruits (I know people often don't count his first cycle, but he was hired in February... it was pretty effin close to a full cycle, other than the addition of early signing day). The only way he likely retains his position is either 1) locks down some elite talent this year or 2) just absolutely blows away expected development/eval rates... If the entire DL comes out looking like 2018 Quinnen Williams, and the young guys are producing, it limits the damage from not hitting on the high star recruits...
On the upside, it sounds like Burch is high on us with Clemson supposedly full with 4 DL... If he's able to land Burch, Cowan, and at least another top 200ish overall DL, he's safe by any reasonable standard.
It's not shitting on a recruiter to point out his performance relative to his peers on our coaching roster, and his peers at the position at the schools that we have to weigh ourselves against if the goal is SEC Champs and Playoff/NC success...
Nolan Smith is not a DL in our system, nor was he recruited by Tray Scott. LINK /
BOTH his primary and secondary recruiters were LB coaches for us.
Travon Walker was a dawg lock, regardless of who recruited him. Hell... Kipp Adams (90% correct for the 2019 cycle) one of our better/more important "crystal ball" guys CB'd him in March of 2017... 1 month after Scott had been hired... pretty sure his confidence didn't come because of the hire. Walker wanted to play in Athens.
Ultimately, it's accurate to say that DL has been our worst recruited position since Kirby got here... Scott was hired *specifically* to change that... and it has not happened yet. Doesn't mean it *can't*... just that he needs to show some life this year... Go grab more than just what is easy. We have playing time for next year and if he can't give it away to elite talent, that's troubling.
You can offer up a free pass for the guy if you want. I've *personally* been telling everyone to give him his time, but at this point, it's up. Over 2 full years on staff already, working on your 3rd full cycle of recruits (I know people often don't count his first cycle, but he was hired in February... it was pretty effin close to a full cycle, other than the addition of early signing day). The only way he likely retains his position is either 1) locks down some elite talent this year or 2) just absolutely blows away expected development/eval rates... If the entire DL comes out looking like 2018 Quinnen Williams, and the young guys are producing, it limits the damage from not hitting on the high star recruits...
On the upside, it sounds like Burch is high on us with Clemson supposedly full with 4 DL... If he's able to land Burch, Cowan, and at least another top 200ish overall DL, he's safe by any reasonable standard.
It's not shitting on a recruiter to point out his performance relative to his peers on our coaching roster, and his peers at the position at the schools that we have to weigh ourselves against if the goal is SEC Champs and Playoff/NC success...
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 6:10 am to NCDawg52
I think that scheme probably has a little bit to do with it, which I'm sure has been discussed among UGA fans. But all you need is some guys up front to buy in to eating space and occupying blockers and let those linebackers fly around
Posted on 5/18/19 at 9:05 am to cyclingout
Bama runs the same scheme and has no problem filling the roster with dynamic, disruptive down lineman.
We just have a bum as a position coach there. Kirby made a bad hire. Everyone does from time to time. Key is not keeping them around too long.
We just have a bum as a position coach there. Kirby made a bad hire. Everyone does from time to time. Key is not keeping them around too long.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:11 pm to NCDawg52
Bama seems to do a really good job of developing those guys. Seems like they wait their turn, have one monster year, go pro, and then just repeat the cycle.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:56 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Aren't you the same one who was saying Justin Rogers was a "must get" for us?
Yep and he made an official yesterday. Why wouldn't the #1 OG not be an priority for any team who has a shot at him. In a couple of years most of out guards will be moving on and depth will be a factor. He wants to play DL in college which has affected his recruiting rating because most recruiting services sees him as a top OG. I'm sure at one point you made mention to Rogers leaning towards the Dawgs when we were getting all those CB's.
Scott haven't recruited on the elite but he dam sure hasn't been average by any means. Take Clemson, Bama, LSU and Ohio St out of the equation and see where Scott fit in as a recruiter. That's top 5 in my book if the current DL recruits stays committed.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:12 pm to DawgRff
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Take Clemson, Bama, LSU and Ohio St out of the equation and see where Scott fit in as a recruiter.
Why would we take them out of the equation?
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:35 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Why would we take them out of the equation?
Clemson - After getting 5* talent in Lawrence and Wilkins, Venables was able to feed off that success resulting in 2 NC.
Bama - Nick Saban
LSU - Able to keep instate DL talent at home. Not many enticing options for recruits neighboring their borders.
Ohio St. - Won a NC recently, Urban Meyer hauled in a great DL class in 2018.
That's why I took them out the equation
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:35 am to fibonaccisquared
Burch's family wants him at USC. If he doesn't go to clempson he will be a Gamecock.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:47 am to SOSFAN
That would be funny
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:01 pm to cyclingout
All those 5* recruits and you can’t win a national championship.....oh wait 
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:12 pm to cyclingout
As in Zachh Pickens funny.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:26 pm to SOSFAN
Xavier Thomas funny lol
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:40 pm to cyclingout
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:57 pm to SOSFAN
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As in Zachh Pickens funny.
Everyone that's recruiting Burch wants him at the position he wants to play, Pickens went with the only team telling him he'd be a DE not DT .
Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:25 pm to cyclingout
Well hopefully we won't have to buy a car wash way over value nor help get a parent out of prison to get Burch like the tators did for XT.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:29 pm to Todd Fagan
Yet Pickens has been practicing at dt his whole time here. If you don't know what you're talking about best to stay quite while the adults speak.
Just fyi Pickens can slide to the outside and inside and dominate.
Don't go with the normal clempson answer " we had higher recruits on our board" for the reason you didn't get Pickens. Venables and the whole dl went to his practice, where he committed, to beg him to come to PED town but they didn't realize that Zachh had no interest in molesting men on tv.
Just fyi Pickens can slide to the outside and inside and dominate.
Don't go with the normal clempson answer " we had higher recruits on our board" for the reason you didn't get Pickens. Venables and the whole dl went to his practice, where he committed, to beg him to come to PED town but they didn't realize that Zachh had no interest in molesting men on tv.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:03 pm to SOSFAN
Right, that's the only reason anyone would pick Clemson over SCAR lol there's always a big conspiracy when it comes to SCAR
And the Pickens stuff goes all the way back to his sophomore year of HS. He was never going to Clemson. He was mad that Stephon Wynn got more attention on a visit than he did when Wynn was a junior. He grew up a SCAR fan. He'll have a good career, he just won't get to play for anything meaningful
And the Pickens stuff goes all the way back to his sophomore year of HS. He was never going to Clemson. He was mad that Stephon Wynn got more attention on a visit than he did when Wynn was a junior. He grew up a SCAR fan. He'll have a good career, he just won't get to play for anything meaningful
Posted on 5/19/19 at 5:43 pm to cyclingout
Fact: clempson booster bought xt family car wash at way over the valued price.
Rumor: clempson helped get his dad out of prision early
Fact: clempson players take illegal PED's.
The conspiracy theory is in your head.
Great pickup with murphy. Clempson is recruiting at a high level. I'm sure everyone over at accrant are talking all about it.
Rumor: clempson helped get his dad out of prision early
Fact: clempson players take illegal PED's.
The conspiracy theory is in your head.
Great pickup with murphy. Clempson is recruiting at a high level. I'm sure everyone over at accrant are talking all about it.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:16 pm to SOSFAN
If it's a fact that a Clemson booster bought a car wash, I'm sure you would have no problem showing me some proof. And I'm not talking about from a tinfoil hat Gamecock site.
I just think it's funny that you think those are the reasons that a kid would pick to go play football for Clemson instead of SCAR.
There's way more Clemson talk on an SEC site than there ever will be about SCAR.
I just think it's funny that you think those are the reasons that a kid would pick to go play football for Clemson instead of SCAR.
There's way more Clemson talk on an SEC site than there ever will be about SCAR.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:19 pm to cyclingout
Clemson-SCAR is the bitchiest of CFB rivalries.
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