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re: Going down to the wire, a lot of prospects are in flux ...

Posted on 8/21/18 at 6:29 pm to
Posted by Long Dawg
Acworth, GA
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 6:29 pm to
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Well obviously I would like UGA to finish #1 but I just dont think we have the numbers / slots to hold off Saban. I also think you guys are going to be really pleased. Its obvious CWM has generated new excitement around your program. While I teased you some about the car wash thing its an example of a program spending money. Your new / proposed weight room sounds 1st rate. The facility upgrades UGA has made have helped us for sure. See yall second week in Sept.


Yeah very impressed with Muschamp's 2nd time around as a HC - seems to have learned from his mistakes so far and he can definitely recruit.

As to the Bama/UGA recruiting war, if Dawgs finish with the highest average rating per recruit and Bama wins the recruiting #1 because the formula says they do because they signed 2-4 more players - I don't really care that much - all you can do is fill up the slots you have with the highest rated talent available. Seems like the rankings should reflect more of quality over quantity if the quantity is close to the same - just my 2 cents.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73343 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 6:33 pm to
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Seems like the rankings should reflect more of quality over quantity if the quantity is close to the same - just my 2 cents.


You’re recruiting to needs. That’s why it doesn’t simply reflect that. No two recruiting classes would ever be on a level playing field.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
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73343 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 6:34 pm to
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The thing about Bama though, dumping some of their lower rated players currently on their commitment list to make room for some high 4s and 5s committing late ...


There’s maybe one current commit that might not end up at Alabama come NSD.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 6:52 pm to
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There’s maybe one current commit that might not end up at Alabama come NSD.

Copy that.

Is it true y'all might sign as many as 28? How does that work? Serious question. 25 isn't the limit these days?
Posted by BreezyDawg
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Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 7:46 pm to
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Is it true y'all might sign as many as 28? How does that work? Serious question. 25 isn't the limit these days?


You get your bagmen to cut the NCAA a check as well and they keep their mouths shut
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 8:14 pm to
25 was never a hard limit.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:05 pm to
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The thing about Bama though, dumping some of their lower rated players currently on their commitment list to make room for some high 4s and 5s committing late ... and then signing 28 when everyone is supposed to be limited to 25 per class. I don't know how that works but is reads fishy. 

I guess when it's Bama it doesn't matter, it will not hurt their rep until it hurts their rep when it comes to processing players that haven't even signed yet. How they are getting to sign 28 ... I guess I'm behind the times. I thought 25 was the hard limit per class and they were not even letting you place any on the last class or fill processed openings with new players.

1-2 players who committed pretty early will probably decide to go elsewhere due to tougher competition for playing time as better players are committing at their positions.
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Is it true y'all might sign as many as 28? How does that work? Serious question. 25 isn't the limit these days?

You can still count early enrollees against unused spots from the prior cycle and you can still greyshirt.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 9:19 pm
Posted by NCDawg52
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2014
3151 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:24 pm to
100 initial counters over 4 years. 25 is NOT a hard limit as long as you fall under the 100 over four and under the team 85 scholarship count. Bama has room for 28, or they may take 27 and leave a spot for a grad transfer. Just depends on who wants to come late.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:33 pm to
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100 initial counters over 4 years. 25 is NOT a hard limit as long as you fall under the 100 over four and under the team 85 scholarship count. Bama has room for 28, or they may take 27 and leave a spot for a grad transfer. Just depends on who wants to come late.

The rules change that added a separate limit of 25 NLI and aid agreement signings per academic year (effective for signings on or after Aug 1, 2017) has closed or partially closed some old loopholes, such as blueshirting. But counting midyear replacements (early enrollees) against unused spots in the prior class and greyshirting are still accommodated.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
13404 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:42 pm to
Have heard from a good source that we will get 7 to 9 five stars using the 247 composite as it currently stands.
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
13404 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:58 pm to
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Yeah very impressed with Muschamp's 2nd time around as a HC - seems to have learned from his mistakes so far and he can definitely recruit.


At this point at SC, 2nd going into 3rd year, what's different than UF, 2nd going into 3rd year?

I'm asking because I don't see it. Things could turn out differently for him for sure if BMac is a good/great offensive coordinator. But we don't know that yet. And what BMac is trying to do is so different from what WM has always wanted out of an offense.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:50 am to
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Things could turn out differently for him for sure if BMac is a good/great offensive coordinator.

I wouldn't expect huge things from McClendon his first year or two. He is new at OC and it will take a little time to hit his stride. But I do believe he will be good. Real good.

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And what BMac is trying to do is so different from what WM has always wanted out of an offense.
It needs to be. Muschamp's offenses simply have not done well. At all.

I think it shows maturity and growth on Muschamps part to allow McClendon to run with his offense. There needed to be a change, and Muschamp recognized that. I think it pays big dividends over the next couple of years.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26268 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:21 am to
I agree that mcclendon may not be running full speed in 2018. He's got a lot to learn.

But I do think that mcclendon's training wheels may be better than what muschamp has received from his OCs the past 5 years.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:30 am to
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At this point at SC, 2nd going into 3rd year, what's different than UF, 2nd going into 3rd year?

I'm asking because I don't see it.


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And what BMac is trying to do is so different from what WM has always wanted out of an offense.



Is this not an answer to your question. Doing something different on offense would categorically be addressing what most would consider Muschamp's single biggest weakness from his time at Florida, no?
Posted by Long Dawg
Acworth, GA
Member since Dec 2017
2054 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:42 am to
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At this point at SC, 2nd going into 3rd year, what's different than UF, 2nd going into 3rd year?

I'm asking because I don't see it. Things could turn out differently for him for sure if BMac is a good/great offensive coordinator. But we don't know that yet. And what BMac is trying to do is so different from what WM has always wanted out of an offense.



Well for one, he has a better QB and better offense. Seems like the recruiting is a little more balanced and better as well.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:35 am to
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Is this not an answer to your question. Doing something different on offense would categorically be addressing what most would consider Muschamp's single biggest weakness from his time at Florida, no?

Bingo.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:36 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61975 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:41 am to
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But I do think that mcclendon's training wheels may be better than what muschamp has received from his OCs the past 5 years.


Oh, I agree 100%. If Muschamp will let him go and not interfere, McClendon will be much better than what Muschamp has had in the past.
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
13404 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:23 pm to
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Is this not an answer to your question. Doing something different on offense would categorically be addressing what most would consider Muschamp's single biggest weakness from his time at Florida, no?


"Muschamp made it official Thursday morning, announcing he has hired Roper as the Gators' new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

"I'm excited to have Coach Roper join our staff," Muschamp said. "He has a diverse, up-tempo background on offense and does a good job of adapting to what the players do best. ""
LINK

And, it's already received the thumbs down, but is this different than what we're hearing with BMac?
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
13404 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:28 pm to
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he has a better QB and better offense



Total offense rank nationally:


2014 UF 96th
2016 SC 115th
2017 SC 109th
Posted by NCDawg52
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2014
3151 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:44 pm to
Muschamps next average offense will be his first.
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