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re: Georgia leads with 5* Evans, 5* ringo and 5* Washington
Posted on 12/22/19 at 9:03 am to atlanta917
Posted on 12/22/19 at 9:03 am to atlanta917
Richt was great like Kirby until he wasn’t. When Kirby goes 6-7 with a bowl loss to UCF or is not capable of beating Florida, it will be time to go- hope that never occurs
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Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:50 pm to atlanta917
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Kirby made it to a natty in year 2. Richt never made it in 15 years.
Actually if you look at the rankings if the playoffs were around in Richt's 2nd year he would have made the playoffs since UGA was ranked 4th in all the polls. If the BCS was around still UGA and Smart would have not, being they were 3rd in the polls.
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Smart is 1-0 in play in games for the natty
He is 0-1 in the NC game. I guess he has the best loss for the title in your perspective.
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If you want an actual comparison
I am as I am looking at the 1st 4 years for each. Both walked into a program that always has talent with a very rich state for it. Both started off strong but now so far the numbers suggest Smart has done no better except having the benefit of the NC expanded to 4 teams.
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Last thing, it took Saban 10 years to make a natty. Smart got there in 2. Acting like smart is a bad coach because he didn’t come out the gate winning championships like Saban in his prime is moronic.
The moronic part is your attempt to deflect and compare the two which I did not nor did I say anywhere that Smart or Richt was a bad coach. Saban was not handed the luxury of a great team with a deep roster like Smart was. Unless now you are saying MSU is on par with UGA just for your narrative.
And for the record since you want to throw Saban into this argument. Saban by his 4th year at LSU had won the West 3 consecutive years, had 2 SEC titles, and a NC. So lets hold off trying to compare Smart to Saban. Just saying
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:01 pm to TideWarrior
Tell me the last time a team won the East 3 years in a row.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:02 pm to TideWarrior
We all know Bama fans miss Kirby. In reality, losing Kirby is the real reason Bama started slipping in recruiting and, thus, the reason they lost their dominance over the rest of the country. I personally wouldn’t swap Kirby with any other coach in the country.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:02 pm to armtackledawg
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Such revisionist history.
? What did I change or distort? I showed the facts for both head coaches for their 1st 4 years. I included Kirby still has a game left. But please explain where I made something up in that post. Or is your memory limited to block out facts or just to young to remember 20 years ago?
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O inherited a more talented team than Kirby.
Really what talent was that? Maybe an LSU fan can jump in here and tell how many stars on the current roster were at LSU when O arrived. I mean O is what year 4 so most of the players on this team playing for a chance to win a NC he recruited. Smart on the other hand in year 2 had a chance for a NC but many on that roster were not his recruits. I mean Smart what inherited what a half dozens draft picks with 3 going in the 1st round. Come on now.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:06 pm to CoolMtnDawg
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Tell me the last time a team won the East 3 years in a row
Could care less to be honest but can tell you the difference between UA fans and UGA fans is that right there. Division titles have little if you can not win the conference and advance.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:10 pm to Huge Richard
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We all know Bama fans miss Kirby. In reality, losing Kirby is the real reason Bama started slipping in recruiting and, thus, the reason they lost their dominance over the rest of the country. I personally wouldn’t swap Kirby with any other coach in the country.
That is funny. I guess maybe some miss him as I can not speak for all UA fans but I do not. I never really liked him while at UA except maybe his ability to recruit. As a coach he has always played to tight, but UGA fans should know that.
Again my original post was not to make fun of him, call him a bad coach, or ruffle the hairs on some of you pups. I just asked how long will UGA fans allow him to stay around especially with the way he is tearing up the recruiting trail, if he does no better then Richt. As someone else mentioned Richt was not a bad coach just could not get over the hump.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:16 pm to TideWarrior
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I never really liked him
Yea I could see why having multiple top recruiting classes (by wide margins) and multiple championships with Kirby on the staff would bother you lmao. This is not a real discussion until you can stop lying yourself.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:19 pm to TideWarrior
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I just asked how long will UGA fans allow him to stay around
Good lawd my dude
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:38 pm to Huge Richard
I stated his recruiting I miss but not on the field. Sorry I do not support him getting a trophy for recruiting. Yes he tears it up on the recruiting trail no denying that
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:41 pm to CoolMtnDawg
Tel the last time a team won the East in multiple years when UK was the 2nd or 3rd beat in the conference.
It is not like Smart has competed in the east every year with a dominant UT or UF program. I meet the the year UGA went to the playoffs what USC and UK finished 2&3? Let’s not make that a big deal.
Again Smart is doing bringing in better classes then Richt but on the field the results are the same.
It is not like Smart has competed in the east every year with a dominant UT or UF program. I meet the the year UGA went to the playoffs what USC and UK finished 2&3? Let’s not make that a big deal.
Again Smart is doing bringing in better classes then Richt but on the field the results are the same.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:45 pm to TideWarrior
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but not on the field
Yea I could see how having top rated (#1) defenses under Kirby’s reign would upset you lol.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:51 pm to Huge Richard
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We all know Bama fans miss Kirby. In reality, losing Kirby is the real reason Bama started slipping in recruiting and, thus, the reason they lost their dominance over the rest of the country. I personally wouldn’t swap Kirby with any other coach in the country.
No. We miss Kirby and Pruitt as a DC. Our recruiting is fine. Matter of fact, if it was all about recruiting, Kirby would have at least one national championship by now. Our woes are due to injuries and in my opinion a bad DC hire. I feel our current DC is more of an issue than injuries.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:56 pm to TideWarrior
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Smart is doing bringing in better classes then Richt but on the field the results are the same.
No they’re not. Kirby is 21-3 in the sec his last 3 years. Richt was 16-8. Not even remotely close.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:58 pm to Shaft Williams
Alabama will be fine no doubt. But they will not retain the same dominance imo. And Kirby is a large part of that imo.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:02 pm to Huge Richard
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Alabama will be fine no doubt. But they will not retain the same dominance imo. And Kirby is a large part of that imo.
Maybe. But, Kirby has bigger fish to fry than us. Kirby has to get past LSU first and then us. Orgeron is a more experienced coach than Kirby and it shows; Orgeron is most importantly open to change.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:02 pm to TideWarrior
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Actually if you look at the rankings if the playoffs were around in Richt's 2nd year he would have made the playoffs since UGA was ranked 4th in all the polls. If the BCS was around still UGA and Smart would have not, being they were 3rd in the polls.
Then playoffs were around for richt and he never made them, at UGA or Miami. No way to know where UGA would’ve been ranked in the BCS in 2017 because we didn’t have it. Either way, we’ve seen how richt does in natty play in games, worse than Smart.
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He is 0-1 in the NC game. I guess he has the best loss for the title in your perspective.
Would rather be there and lose than lose the game before and not make it. Weird you don’t agree.
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I am as I am looking at the 1st 4 years for each. Both walked into a program that always has talent with a very rich state for it. Both started off strong but now so far the numbers suggest Smart has done no better except having the benefit of the NC expanded to 4 teams.
Except Smart started off better. He beat more ranked teams in 2017 than Richt did in 2002 and he made the natty and richt didn’t. On top of that Richt didn’t win the east 3 straight years.
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The moronic part is your attempt to deflect and compare the two which I did not nor did I say anywhere that Smart or Richt was a bad coach. Saban was not handed the luxury of a great team with a deep roster like Smart was. Unless now you are saying MSU is on par with UGA just for your narrative.
No, the moronic part is you acting like Richt was fired after his fourth year. If he kept replicating his first 4 years, he’d still have a job somewhere. He just got canned from Miami.
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And for the record since you want to throw Saban into this argument. Saban by his 4th year at LSU had won the West 3 consecutive years, had 2 SEC titles, and a NC. So lets hold off trying to compare Smart to Saban. Just saying
Saban didn’t win a natty until he had 10 years of HC experience. Smart made it to a natty with 2.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:03 pm to TideWarrior
you seem to have a hard on for disparging kirby for some reason, instead of going through each post I'll try to sum up some responses in 1 post.
-The whole "kirby and richt similar records" shtick is so played out. I'm extremely thankful they have such similar records, because in 2004/5 richt was considered one of the hottest up and coming coaches in america. To be compared to that is very high praise. People like you try to jumble around your talking points, even if you dont' do it outright. Basically you're trying to insinuate that richt never won a title and was eventaully fired so apparently that's kirby's ceiling as well. What you fail to post in all yoru richt stats is his record from 2009-2015, which is what got him fired. Funny I never see anyone compare kirby's 16-19 with richt's last 4 years.
-richt inherited a much better team than kirby did, that's not even debatable. Donnan for all his faults was a pretty strong recruiter, and his '98 class (seniors in richt's first year) was one of hte 2 or 3 best in school history prior to kirby's arrival. IIRC all 11 starters on that 2001 defense started at some poitn in the NFL. He also had david greene, musa, reggie brown, fred gibson, terrence, damien gary, etc on offense. Kirby inherited some solid pieces for sure, I'm not trying to compare our roster with vanderbilt's. But we had greyson lambert or a TFr at QB, a transfer from rhode island as our LT, a natrual guard at RT, a converted DT at center, and our best reciever was 5'8".
-let's also not overlook the fact that kirby came to uga in the midst of the greatest dynasty that cfb has ever seen, one that he would have to play in back to back years. Richt did face some really good teams (01 UF, 03 LSU) in that early period but nothing that compares to modern day alabama.
-I find it funny taht the ONLY team uga can ever win the east and it actually count for our rivals is if uf and ut are down. Do you write off all of their division titles in the 90s when we had goff and donnan? The 90s was a 1-game playoff to win the east between UF/UT as UGa was mediocre and UK/VU/SC were wretchedly bad, combined. All of them. YOu also act like the west doesn't have bad teams at the bottom every year too just like the east does.
-you also seem to have some odd obssession with the name on the helmets..you keep harping on UK or USC's place in the conference standings...why? Last year UK was a top 10 team all season and finished ranked 11th. They beat 3 ranked teams that year including penn state in their bowl...are we supposed to feel worse abotu winning the division simply because Florida wasn't 2nd?
-The whole "kirby and richt similar records" shtick is so played out. I'm extremely thankful they have such similar records, because in 2004/5 richt was considered one of the hottest up and coming coaches in america. To be compared to that is very high praise. People like you try to jumble around your talking points, even if you dont' do it outright. Basically you're trying to insinuate that richt never won a title and was eventaully fired so apparently that's kirby's ceiling as well. What you fail to post in all yoru richt stats is his record from 2009-2015, which is what got him fired. Funny I never see anyone compare kirby's 16-19 with richt's last 4 years.
-richt inherited a much better team than kirby did, that's not even debatable. Donnan for all his faults was a pretty strong recruiter, and his '98 class (seniors in richt's first year) was one of hte 2 or 3 best in school history prior to kirby's arrival. IIRC all 11 starters on that 2001 defense started at some poitn in the NFL. He also had david greene, musa, reggie brown, fred gibson, terrence, damien gary, etc on offense. Kirby inherited some solid pieces for sure, I'm not trying to compare our roster with vanderbilt's. But we had greyson lambert or a TFr at QB, a transfer from rhode island as our LT, a natrual guard at RT, a converted DT at center, and our best reciever was 5'8".
-let's also not overlook the fact that kirby came to uga in the midst of the greatest dynasty that cfb has ever seen, one that he would have to play in back to back years. Richt did face some really good teams (01 UF, 03 LSU) in that early period but nothing that compares to modern day alabama.
-I find it funny taht the ONLY team uga can ever win the east and it actually count for our rivals is if uf and ut are down. Do you write off all of their division titles in the 90s when we had goff and donnan? The 90s was a 1-game playoff to win the east between UF/UT as UGa was mediocre and UK/VU/SC were wretchedly bad, combined. All of them. YOu also act like the west doesn't have bad teams at the bottom every year too just like the east does.
-you also seem to have some odd obssession with the name on the helmets..you keep harping on UK or USC's place in the conference standings...why? Last year UK was a top 10 team all season and finished ranked 11th. They beat 3 ranked teams that year including penn state in their bowl...are we supposed to feel worse abotu winning the division simply because Florida wasn't 2nd?
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:05 pm to Shaft Williams
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Kirby has bigger fish to fry than us. Kirby has to get past LSU first and then us
lolno. As long as saban is there bama will always be road block. LSU is good now jsut like plenty of other teams have been good, but they aren't our main competition.
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Orgeron is a more experienced coach than Kirby and it shows
yes, that's exactly right. And it's somethign else that detractors never seem to mention. Oregeron, saban, miles, meyer, etc...all are coaches that found their biggest success after their 1st gig at another stop along the way. Kirby is 4 years into his head coaching tenure. To think that he can't learn and adjust over the years is naive.
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Orgeron is most importantly open to change.
And kirby isn't? 4 years into orgeron's tenure he left ole miss in the gutter and was fired from USC. It's almost like...as his career went on he grew..
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:09 pm to WG_Dawg
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And kirby isn't? 4 years into orgeron's tenure he left ole miss in the gutter and was fired from USC. It's almost like...as his career went on he grew..
That remains to be seen. But, for a young man like Kirby to trot out that offense he has this season is concerning.
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