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Elite 11: SI All-American's Composite Ranking of the 20 QBs

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1. Caleb Williams - Washington (D.C.) Gonzaga
Composite Score: 2.66

Williams flashed about everything an evaluator could have asked for and the data actually backs up the staffs ranking of him as the MVP. His Day 1 performance was the most dominant daily win compared to the Day 2 and Day 3 winners and he wasn’t ever sitting outside of the top five. The arm talent, footwork and pure play-making torque is about as good as it gets at the position. Throw in the competitive drive and few would bet against the D.C. star.

2. J.J. McCarthy - Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy
Composite Score: 4.0

Entering the camp, McCarthy was one of the few quarterbacks who could make all of the throws on tape. He proved that in a camp setting every day at Elite 11, looking comfortable throwing to all three levels of the field and never finishing below sixth place out of 20 in Sports Illustrated All-American's daily rankings. McCarthy finished fifth in Elite 11's accuracy gauntlet scores and sixth by our scores in the same drill, displaying great accuracy with 16 on-target throws on 22 attempts. He carried swagger throughout the week and never seemed to lose his step.

3. Miller Moss - Santa Ana (Calif.) Mater Dei
Composite Score: 4.66

Moss wasn’t the flashiest passer through three days but consistency was once again his calling card. More valuable there than any other position, he was steady with his accuracy, spin rate and ability to execute ball placement to the first and second level. Throw 100 looked comparable to throw No. 1 for the USC commitment, even in this competitive setting. Two top-three finishes, including on the hardest workout (Day 3) re-emphasizes the data.

4. Brock Vandagriff - Bogart (Ga.) Prince Avenue Christian
Composite Score: 5.33

Vandagriff finished third among campers in the Rail Shot competition on Monday, had a fairly decent pro day on day two, finishing in the middle of the pack on SIAA's scoring, then walked away with day three of the competition. He won the accuracy gauntlet with a time of 1:43, there wasn't another QB under two minutes. Vandagriff is known as a prospect with a high floor and his consistency as a daily top 10 performer, big shot maker and high-velocity game through three tough workouts validates the point. His ball never lost life, even in the gauntlet to wrap up the event.

5 (tie). Ty Thompson - Gilbert (Az.) Mesquite
Composite Score: 6.66

Thompson is the passer who probably helped his immediate stock the most all week long. From the impressive frame to a smooth release, he was an MVP candidate with considerable ‘wow’ throws to his name until Day 3 slowed how high he could climb. Gauntlet issues aside, the only knock with the Oregon Duck commitment comes with his footwork. He could move methodically at times but as the biggest passer in attendance, it wasn’t a big surprise.

5 (tie). Carlos Del Rio - Loganville (Ga.) Grayson
Composite Score: 6.66

Del Rio's performance at Elite 11 was one of the biggest surprises of the week, and certainly for the better. His best showing came during the pro day workout on Day 2, where Del Rio threw a camp-leading 12 "money" throws based on Sports Illustrated All-American's grading scale. He followed with the second-best time in the accuracy gauntlet according to Elite 11, with a solid accuracy grade from SIAA coming in 9th place. Throwing on the run was already a strength of Del Rio's entering the week, and he was certainly one of the best quarterbacks out there in that department - just take a look at his deep corner throws.

7. Kyle McCord - Philadelphia (Pa.) St. Joseph's
Composite Score: 7.33

McCord was a star during the pro day workout, with elite ball placement and second/third level accuracy. He was just as consistent on Wednesday coming off of his big win, according to the Elite 11 staff, with such hot streaks coming at the most difficult times. There wasn’t a clear drop off in velocity through three days of action, something that can’t be said of others on the list.

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8. Kyron Drones - Pearland (Texas) Shadow Creek
Composite Score: 10.66

Drones is a big, impressive physical specimen who had big moments through the competition. Saving his best for last from a total workout perspective, during the hardest ask from the coaches, showed where he is at when it comes to catching on quick and execution. Few drove the football more consistently than the future Baylor Bear, whose best balls were on par with the higher-ranked guys on this list.

9 (tie). Garrett Nussmeier - Flower Mound (Texas) Marcus
Composite Score: 11.0

Nussmeier and Moss are rather similar prospects, but I'd give Nussmeier the overall edge in terms of arm strength, though Moss has premier ball placement. Though as I told him and his family following the event, I was more impressed with the way in which he carried himself throughout the week. The body language was incredible, the energy he brought to the camp, constantly encouraging those around him in an environment that typically doesn't lend itself to that type of conduct. He's a leader and that's invaluable at the quarterback position.

9 (tie). Tyler Macon - East St. Louis (Ill.)
Composite Score: 11.0

Macon proved relatively consistent through most of the competition aside from wearing down in his lower half during the accuracy gauntlet. His three-quarter release is one of the better motions in the field and his arch in pushing the ball down the field didn’t hurt his accuracy or timing. The Missouri commitment keeps a wide base when he sets his feet and it appears to limit errant throws.

11 (tie). Maddox Kopp - Houston (Texas) St. Thomas
Composite Score: 11.33

One of the more underrated quarterbacks entering the week, Kopp showed off his potential early and often with a strong deep ball when he got his feet set. He won the rail shot competition on Monday night and immediately heard from Power 5 schools such as Ole Miss and Texas. Short-to-intermediate middle of the field accuracy was hit or miss but when Kopp was on, he was on. Mobility and throwing on the run aren't his strong-suits, but with further development as he's only recently started taking football seriously over basketball, Kopp has the arm talent to become a household name

11 (tie). Luke Altmyer - Starkville (Miss.)
Composite Score: 11.33

Altmyers’ easy release was on display all week long and it created some oohs and ahhs down the field, particularly during the pro day workout. His motion pushes the ball behind him more than most in the field, but the release speed makes up for the timing. The Florida State commitment felt like a top 10 lock before a rough accuracy gauntlet on Day 3.

13 (tie). Drake Maye - Charlotte (N.C.) Myers Park
Composite Score: 12.33

Maye started off slow at the regional camp and through the stations but caught on in a big way Day 2 and held his own on Day 3. His big arm was consistently on display, even when the consistent accuracy was not, and his pace on the final day’s work may have been the best of the bunch outside of Vandagriff. The UNC commitment has all the tools to continue to climb any ranking.

13 (tie). Behren Morton - Eastland (Texas)
Composite Score: 12.33

Morton's pro day left a bit to be desired, he had a few tough misses, but I don't think I saw a single ball wobble all week. It was tight, it was smooth, and it was fluid on every single throw. Which, when you're throwing upwards of 200 footballs in a three-day span, is incredibly tough to do. Then you add into the equation that he's a solid athlete and can move extremely well, you've got a Top-10 performer at the event, in my opinion. Morton’s final workout was his best and the high spin rate carried all the way through the end. As Quincy Avery said of one of his samples, “the ball has juice.”

15. Grayson James - Plano (Texas) John Paul II
Composite Score: 13.66

Grayson James was up and down during the first two workouts but really took a step forward on the final day of action in the accuracy gauntlet. His size is impressive and the fluidity of his release and footwork on the frame is, too. Few looked more comfortable making plays on the move, even down the field, than the uncommitted prospect.

16. Kaidon Salter - Cedar Hill (Texas)
Composite Score: 14.00

Salter struggled to find consistency through most of the workouts but really found a home during the pro day. He was on time and impressive outside the numbers and while on the move. The Tennessee-bound Texan worked best moving to his right and hit one of the top deep balls of the week during the pro day while on a dead sprint.

17. Christian Veilleux - Potomac (Md.) The Bullis School
Composite Score: 14.33

The first impression of Veilleux was rock solid. He was accurate throughout the regional camp workout with first and second level consistency stronger than most of the group. The pro day workout looked uncomfortable at times for the Penn State commitment, who appeared to have rushed several throws in the controlled setting. The velocity wasn’t there on Day 3, either.

18. Dematrius Davis - Houston (Texas) North Shore
Composite Score: 15.66

Davis has a quick trigger and moves with more ease than any competitor in the field, but the accuracy was sporadic at best. His best workout came in the accuracy gauntlet but it wasn’t enough to secure his would-be initial top 10 finish on a given day. The Auburn commitment was unable to showcase one of his top traits, decision-making, with the cancellation of the 7-on-7 portion of the event.

19 (tie). Tyler Buchner - La Jolla (Calif.) Helix
Composite Score: 17.33

Buchner had one of the top throws of the entire event during the pro day workout, a 7-cut while on the run dropped perfectly on the front pylon. Unfortunately for the Notre Dame commitment, head-turners like that were more common with other arms at the event. His arm angle looks considerably lower than it was in 2019 and even earlier this year and it appears to have affected his drive on the ball and consistent accuracy.

19 (tie). Jay Allen - Fort Pierce (Fla.) John Carroll
Composite Score: 17.33

Allen got better each day, in each setting and flirted with a hot streak on Day 3 with great pace and ability to hit targets on the move. His spiral was far less impressive from a consistency standpoint and his third-level game is certainly still developing.




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Great stuff Pat


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Thanks for the updates


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East St. Louis (Ill.) High’s Tyler Macon
The Missouri commit is the No. 22 dual-threat signal-caller in the 247Sports Composite.

“Macon is a beast,” Dilfer said. “So strong and powerful, really coachable. I’d put him and Salter in the same category. Their correction rep was really impressive. We ask them to do things they’ve never done, we expect them to fail, it’s the next rep that matters and Macon and Salter stood out.

“He reminds me of Steve McNair.”



Tyler was such a good get for us.


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Bump

Pro day scores



5) Tyler Macon - Missouri
6) Kaidson Salter - Tennessee
7) Carlos Del Rio-Wilson - Florida
8) Garrett Nussmeier - LSU


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Good stuff. Apparently Del Rio had a really good day 2. Saw Woody and Wiltfong both comment on it


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Sounds like Williams was the best or one of the best up till pro day from what I gathered.


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JJ McCarthy looks like a Harbaugh type of recruit in the mold of Shea Patterson, gangly and awkward, but can throw.

Caleb Williams has great potential but was kind of meh in this competition so far.

Ty Thompson is one of my top (3) QB's as a future great one.

Kyle McCord looks and throws like Joe Burrow. Displays incredible footwork.


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Carlos will be better than Emory. He throws a better ball and he’s better built to run the ball in Mullen’s system.


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Carlos will be better than Emory. He throws a better ball and he’s better built to run the ball in Mullen’s system.


I have never been enamored with Emory Jones.

Overall Rankings After day 2 of elite 11

#1- Caleb Williams

#2- Ty Thompson

#3- Kyle McCord

Don't see how Williams is #1 at this point, as his pro day performance was way down the list. Obviously it came from all the hype on day 1.


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Shea Patterson, gangly and awkward


SP never struck me as gangly or awkward. Just a DT QB stuck in a pro offense.


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Don't see how Williams is #1 at this point, as his pro day performance was way down the list. Obviously it came from all the hype on day 1.


I was wondering the same thing. Seems like they don't want to contradict their current site rankings.


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day 3 ranking



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Carlos will be better than Emory. He throws a better ball and he’s better built to run the ball in Mullen’s system.


We’ll see. Emory was impressive for a couple of driveS against Auburn when Trask went down. He played well against LSU last year too.

The real dude of the future, in my opinion, is Anthony Richardson. Early reports on him are that he runs like Cam and has the strongest arm on the team. He’s the one I think is a match made in Heaven.


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Carlos Del Rio with most highlight worthy throws

Awesome

Mullen know how to find them QBs


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These guys forgetting about hometown hero Ant Richardson

Dude is 230 6'4" runs a 4.6 lol

Mullens best piece to work with since Tebow or Cam


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Ok
This post was edited on 7/1 at 2:53 pm


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These guys dont know Emory hes gonna beast too

Think Trask with speed n bigger arm
This post was edited on 7/1 at 2:57 pm


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These guys dont know Emory hes gonna beast too

Think Trask with speed n bigger arm


Sounds like Mullen is once again Picking the wrong qb to start


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