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Posted on 2/13/13 at 9:39 pm to Bill Parker?
quote:Half of the time he just ran through every player on the other team. He was almost always the biggest player on the field.
Henry appears to be the biggest kid on that team. Who the hell blocked for him?
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:20 pm to pvilleguru
Richardson was great almost legendary. Lacy was really good but inconsistent at times. Ingram was consitently a little above average. IMO the 2009 Heisman should've went to Bama's line, definetly not Ingram.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:50 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Just watched Tyren Jones highlights.......I was VERY impressed.....he got an extra gear. 
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:50 pm to The_SwAUggford
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IMO the 2009 Heisman should've went to Bama's line, definetly not Ingram
First, take away the least deserved Heisman ever:
Archie Griffin's 2nd, where he scored 4 TDs.....on the year)
and then take away the 2nd least deserved:
Pat Sullivan's
Posted on 2/16/13 at 1:52 pm to WDE85
Scarborough is not as good as he's hyped to be. Henry is a lot better.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:47 pm to jfran23
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Scarborough is not as good as he's hyped to be.
He will probably play WR at bama and dominate
Posted on 2/16/13 at 7:35 pm to alabamabuckeye
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Mark Ingram
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legends of the Alabama football program
Thought with all the winning you guys have done you'd have higher standards.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 7:52 pm to RandySavage
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Thought with all the winning you guys have done you'd have higher standards.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 7:56 pm to RandySavage
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Thought with all the winning you guys have done you'd have higher standards.
Yeah, promoting the first Heisman winner for the best CFB program of all time is having low standards.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:27 am to alabamabuckeye
Gerhart>>Ingram
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:09 am to alabamabuckeye
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Yeah, promoting the first Heisman winner for the best CFB program of all time is having low standards.
There have been a lot of guys in Alabama's history that deserved serious consideration and one could not argue had they won the Heisman. If you ask me, Alabama should have more than 1 Heisman in their storied history.
Mark Ingram on the other hand could easily be rated as one of the worst heisman winners of all time. Not only did Toby Gerhart make a compelling argument to beat him, that was easily the worst heisman field in a generation
TRich was a better Heisman candidate than Ingram
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 10:11 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:25 am to GenesChin
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Mark Ingram on the other hand could easily be rated as one of the worst heisman winners of all time.
Pat Sullivan disagrees. Terrible stats for a QB and got blown completely out by Alabama and in the bowl game.
And Archie Griffin's 2nd Heisman where he only scored 4 TDs on the entire year disagrees.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:41 am to FlukerFlakes
Ingram put the offense on his back and helped lead us to our first NC since 1992. Why the frick should he not be considered a legend of our program.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:37 am to pvilleguru
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Ingram put the offense on his back and helped lead us to our first NC since 1992. Why the frick should he not be considered a legend of our program.
Uh, he should.
And people talking about Gerhart having better stats.....SMH. He played in the PAC 10. He saw crap for defenses.
And
Ingram's total yards from scrimmage = 1992
Toby total yards from scrimmage = 2028
But,
Ingram's yards per touch = 6.6
Toby's yards per touch = 5.7
Ingram averaged nearly a yard more every time he touched the ball while going against real teams with real defenses. Additionally, Ingram destroyed #1 Florida the last game of Heisman voting season with 3 TDs and ended the Florida dynasty while started the Alabama one.
If Alabama were to have played Stanford's schedule in 2009, it is safe to say Ingram would have averaged around 8 yards a touch and probably put up over 2500 total yards and over 2000 rushing. It's hilarious seeing people try to compare running back stats from a dude from the PAC 10 to the leading guy from the SEC
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:12 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Pat Sullivan disagrees. Terrible stats for a QB and got blown completely out by Alabama and in the bowl game.
Sullivan was unbelievable while at AU in the 70s considering it was not he pass happy league it was today. In fact, Sullivan was the only non RB in the top 5 in voting that year. If you are going to call Sullivan as one of the wors Heisman trophy winners you are a moron. He set the NCAA record at the time for a single season YD/Play average.
I agree with Archie's second Heisman.
The point I was making is that Mark Ingram's season was the worst field of Heisman contenders in a generation. He wouldn't have won it in any other year in the past 5 and probably wouldn't have even come second.
I am not arguing that he wasn't a good RB at Bama, just that of all the RBs you have had in the past few decades, I wouldn't call him the best or most deserving of the heisman
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:25 pm to GenesChin
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He set the NCAA record at the time for a single season YD/Play average
Not the year he won the Heisman.
Heisman voting was done before the AU Bama game that year where Sullivan got skull drug to the tune of 31-7. If Heisman voting was done after the regular season, he never would have won.
And then Sullivan's pro career was a joke. He rode the bench for 4 years and then was cut.
Racked up career stat line of:
42%
1155 yards
5 TDs
16 INTs
He was terrible
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:14 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Not the year he won the Heisman.
Heisman voting was done before the AU Bama game that year where Sullivan got skull drug to the tune of 31-7. If Heisman voting was done after the regular season, he never would have won.
And then Sullivan's pro career was a joke. He rode the bench for 4 years and then was cut.
Racked up career stat line of:
42%
1155 yards
5 TDs
16 INTs
He was terrible
I have been making the argument that Mark Ingram is not one of the best heisman winners not individually about seasons. His season wasn't really that spectacular either. Had Chizik not fricked over our second half in the iron bowl in 2009, Ingram wouldn't have won either after seemingly taking a dildo up the arse before the game.
Don't remember ever talking about NFL on a college discussion. Lots of great college players do not turn out well in the pros for a variety of reasons. Mark Ingram is a prime example of being completely pedestrian in the NFL after winning a heisman.
When is the last year since 1990 that Ingram would have beat out the heisman trophy winner in that year?
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:25 pm to GenesChin
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He rode the bench for 4 years and then was cut.
Ingram might very well do the same. He's not an NFL RB and the only reason he won a heisman is bc of the line he played behind. U give Gerhart the same line and he puts up the same if not better numbers.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:36 pm to FlukerFlakes
Looking at the stats, how did Greg Pruitt not win the Heisman in 1971?
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