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Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:28 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:28 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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isn't a Florida fan. His life is dedicated to trolling us by saying McElwain is a bad coach and that Florida is on its way to the Dark Ages, Muschamp was better and idk really know what else.
He seems like a smart uf fan making good points about recruiting. He also understands how the uf offense was better in 2014 than in 2015/16.
Meanwhile,You can't even admit uga is Upgrading a weakness of talent at OL, wr, and db, while uf's d talent is dropping off. This is a big change. You also can't admit the uf offense has been worse under mcelwain than it was in 2014 under muschamp.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:29 am to JamalSanders
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To be fair, Muschamp is a better coach than McElwain.
Yeah...
Considering McElwain has broken good records (least yardage ever allowed by the school, first coach to reach the SEC championship in his first two years, etc. etc..) and Muschamp had broken the worst records (first loss in school history to a lower division and that's WITH top ten classes abound), I think we're just going to have to call you retarded and move along.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:32 am to atlgator
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I can't imagine how miserable you must be about things that actually matter. I pray that you or no one you love ever has to deal with something as heartbreaking as cancer, because if your posting is any indication, you'll never have hope that it gets better or that it will be okay. Just relax and be a fan for once dude. Jesus.
Far be it from me to interrupt this glorious shite show, or defend atlgator, who generally is a giant douche...
But to try and suss out where he was going with this comment, I think he's getting to the root of the "sunshine pumpers" vs "negative" fans that every team deals with. (UGA calls them Disney vs. Nega-dawgs around these parts). He wasn't comparing TJs posting to cancer, simply that the overall negative tone and attitude would not fair well in a more dire situation... Ultimately, shitty comparison to try and make, but also not exactly the message that I think people were reading into there.
Anyways, as you were... TJ... you do you man. It's great. Straws... keep sucking.
ETA: weird, must have missed atl's follow up... as I was skimming.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:40 am to fibonaccisquared
Didn't want people to take that the wrong way, hope I cleared that up. I don't try to be a douche, I try to have discussions mostly with Florida fans during the offseason. I haven't had too many run ins with Georgia fans on this board before but obviously, originally being from Atlanta I have (even though I don't live there anymore) in real life and I think highly of a lot of Georgia fans and have rational discussions with a lot of people like you. Here's to hoping we have some good conversations about what should be the two favorites in the East in the coming months leading up to this season
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:41 am to djsdawg
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He seems like a smart uf fan making good points about recruiting.
Yes, DJ, TJ clearly predicted many things correctly.
Except when he didn't. Like every time.
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He also understands how the uf offense was better in 2014 than in 2015/16.
Meanwhile,You can't even admit uga is Upgrading a weakness of talent at OL, wr, and db, while uf's d talent is dropping off. This is a big change. You also can't admit the uf offense has been worse under mcelwain than it was in 2014 under muschamp.
Oh, the offense is worse -- mostly because there is only one quarterback.
The entire offensive line after an injury compiled of four underclassmen starting, the RG playing Center and a true freshmen replacing the RG.
Our best receivers are underclassmen.
Our best running backs are McElwain recruits.
Our quarterbacks were backups and walkons from lesser schools.
I admit openly that our offense is no where it needs to be.
But the problem is not the coach who came in, it's the coach who left. Muschamp's recruiting was downright awful his last year, and he hadn't a had a single 4* commit and was woefully behind on his numbers.
He had signed, over four years, something like 8 offensive linemen and when McElwain came in, there were only six on scholarship -- not even enough to run a scrimmage at practice.
There were two quarterbacks because he had ruined the others, one being Grier (who pissed hot) and the other being Treon Harris (who was never really a quarterback).
Considering the offense had been terrible since 2009, a lot of offensive talent did not want to come to play for Florida -- so McElwain had to recruit this side of the ball especially differently. He had to find players that were willing to leave balling offensive colleges but didn't have that much attention -- and managed to find two future All SEC receivers in Callaway and Cleveland and they are now the bulk of our offensive production.
It's not easy to come in and recruit that when the previous coach literally left you nothing on that side of the ball outside of TE.
No QB (outside of Grier), No RB (Taylor wasn't that good), No WR (Powell isn't that good), No Kicker, No OL.
Pretty hard to come in and turn around offensive production when there is literally nothing left on offense.
Pretty hard to break the defensive yardage permitted record as a offensively minded coach. Hold LSU to 10 points on the road with a patchwork defense against an LSU team that had scored in their last six games (that weren't against Bama or us): 42, 45, 38, 38, 54 and 29 in comparison to 10 against Florida.
We're just getting trolled here, but you're completely omitting the status of Florida Football before McElwain set foot on campus.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:50 am to atlgator
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I don't try to be a douche
To be fair, it's entirely possible I'm lumping you in with another atlanta-gator-esque screenname, but I seem to recall some unabashed UGA hating in places where it was otherwise uncalled for. To be entirely fair, I'm quite certain I've been called worse by some UF fans, some of whom may have even had a valid point at that moment in time.
Ultimately, the internet is a tough place to judge people... In real life, I've got friends who are fans of Tech, Florida, Auburn, and many other schools (hell I'm married to a UT grad)... on this board however, the sample size is poorly distributed. For every good poster, there are at a minimum 2 bad ones from every school it seems, and for some schools the distribution is significantly worse.
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Here's to hoping we have some good conversations about what should be the two favorites in the East in the coming months leading up to this season
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:54 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Yes, DJ, TJ clearly predicted many things correctly.
I don't care about whatever predictions you speak of. Instead, I specifically mentioned recruiting. What he says about recruiting is fact and you either aren't man enough to admit it or smart enough to know it.
When it comes to a comparison to 2014, you still think the 15 and 16 teams were much improved despite having crappier point differentials.
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offense is worse -- mostly because there is only one quarterback.
Did you forget that treon Harris was the qb in 2014?
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not easy to come in and recruit that when the previous coach literally left you nothing on that side of the ball outside of TE.
It should be easy to sell PT. That is if you are a good recruiter.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:05 pm to djsdawg
The offensive recruiting has been good for UF. The problem has been the lack of production and leadership from upperclassmen over the past couple of years. Florida returns an asinine 95% of their receiving and rushing yards from last year. Usually that number should be much lower. That means on offense, we're getting production from strictly underclassmen. Those underclassmen take their lumps and improve and develop to be more consistent, and I think you'll see a better offense when you combine that experience for young talented guys to be more consistent, along with (hopefully) better quarterback play.
Defensively, the recruiting has been on par in most spots with where Muschamp was, with exception to the occasional 5 star DB. Mac's gotten 2 five star DEs and a ton of 4 star DBs over the course of his three full classes on defense. The biggest position that Mac hasn't hit an elite prospect is at linebacker, but we've seen freshmen in Kylan Johnson, David Reese (freshman all American) and Vosean Joseph (played after Anzalone and Davis both went out) play above their 3 star ranking. So I think Mac overall hasn't recruited on the same level as Muschamp rankings wise, but he's done a good job of evaluating players and finding guys that fit with the program and have been able to produce on defense early, and Mac has certainly had much better success on the field than Muschamp had in his four years at UF
Defensively, the recruiting has been on par in most spots with where Muschamp was, with exception to the occasional 5 star DB. Mac's gotten 2 five star DEs and a ton of 4 star DBs over the course of his three full classes on defense. The biggest position that Mac hasn't hit an elite prospect is at linebacker, but we've seen freshmen in Kylan Johnson, David Reese (freshman all American) and Vosean Joseph (played after Anzalone and Davis both went out) play above their 3 star ranking. So I think Mac overall hasn't recruited on the same level as Muschamp rankings wise, but he's done a good job of evaluating players and finding guys that fit with the program and have been able to produce on defense early, and Mac has certainly had much better success on the field than Muschamp had in his four years at UF
Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:05 pm to djsdawg
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Did you forget that treon Harris was the qb in 2014?
Was he an exceptional quarterback? Wasn't he also terrible in 2014, but with more upperclassmen offensive talent surrounding him with a better line? They were no where near the same circumstances.
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When it comes to a comparison to 2014, you still think the 15 and 16 teams were much improved despite having crappier point differentials.
Yes. The team has lesser talent on offense and had tons of injured players throughout the years yet outperformed the team in previous years.
They were undefeated against FCS teams, don't'chya know.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:09 pm to atlgator
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The problem has been the lack of production and leadership from upperclassmen over the past couple of years. Florida returns an asinine 95% of their receiving and rushing yards from last year.
fricking thank you. Holy shite. People don't realize that Florida's offense had been gutted. Rebuilding from the foundation.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:42 pm to atlgator
I think he's a shite HC. Link where I rooted for UF to lose or against the players. I'm pointing out facts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:48 pm to TJGator1215
This entire thread and any thread you posted in on the Gator board. You downplay the accomplishments of current Gator players and have said multiple times that you can't wait until Mac loses enough to be fired so you can rub it in Gator fans who support the teams face.
That is literally rooting against "your" team for the sake of being right. You hate Florida for firing former UGA player Will Muschamp, so you troll posing as a Gator fan and cherry pick irrelevant stats that don't include anything that is pro-UF. The most important stat of all is wins. We've won more in Mac's two seasons than in any two year stretch since Tebow was here. And those wins under Mac so far were in years that the offense had to be completely rebuilt because of that abortion of a coach that you love so much. So shut the frick up, and be a fan. This thread in itself is a troll thread. Why post something about a player that committed to a non-SEC school on an SEC board? You did that only to troll.
That is literally rooting against "your" team for the sake of being right. You hate Florida for firing former UGA player Will Muschamp, so you troll posing as a Gator fan and cherry pick irrelevant stats that don't include anything that is pro-UF. The most important stat of all is wins. We've won more in Mac's two seasons than in any two year stretch since Tebow was here. And those wins under Mac so far were in years that the offense had to be completely rebuilt because of that abortion of a coach that you love so much. So shut the frick up, and be a fan. This thread in itself is a troll thread. Why post something about a player that committed to a non-SEC school on an SEC board? You did that only to troll.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The problem is the current HC who can't recruit the QB position despite being an offensive oriented HC. WM hasn't been at UF in almost 3 yrs. Mac can't sell winning the East despite winning it twice. Mac's offense finished #116 in year two behind The guy that started almost an entire team of freshman despite bringing back a somewhat experienced OL, starting RB and AC81. Was it WM that started the RB by committee for most of The yr or decided to take a backup in HS who has never started who had almost no D1 offers? Mac is directly responsible for the offenses failure. The hires are his, the players are his and the scheme is his. He's The one that recruited LDR and AA and took on projects in Allen,Franks and Trask. He could've kept Grier. There is zero excuse as to why the offense is this bad. None. Post the things I didn't get correct. Link them. The OL had experience. There were plenty of teams with less experience that had zero problems scoring or gaining yards. I've already pointed This out in multiple threads. KT was our best RB. Scarlett can't even make an SEC list. He's a good player but not a game changer. WM would've brought in a top 10 class with Cowart, Sheriron, Davis, Horton, etc. He was fired. That kind of messes up your recruiting. In his 4 years he signed 16 OL. He lost 4
due to Medical hardship after 1 yr. Dunker because of crimes, young to basketball.
He lost in a one yr period.
Jackson
Johnson
Sarvary
Kelleher
Again he recruited the position #s wise fine. Talent was lacking but Mac has worsened the overall talent and has shown zero ability to acquire elite talent. We've been out recruited by FSU, UGA, LSU and even UT. That will shown on the field soon because Mac is an average coach who's reactive and his staff and scheme sucks. Especially at making adjustments. Hiring 2 unknowns, keeping Nord and Nuss will cost Mac his job. He's directly to blame for that. Link to the records Mac's team's broke. Also it's easy to break records with 8 nfl players on your defense and playing an easy schedule.
due to Medical hardship after 1 yr. Dunker because of crimes, young to basketball.
He lost in a one yr period.
Jackson
Johnson
Sarvary
Kelleher
Again he recruited the position #s wise fine. Talent was lacking but Mac has worsened the overall talent and has shown zero ability to acquire elite talent. We've been out recruited by FSU, UGA, LSU and even UT. That will shown on the field soon because Mac is an average coach who's reactive and his staff and scheme sucks. Especially at making adjustments. Hiring 2 unknowns, keeping Nord and Nuss will cost Mac his job. He's directly to blame for that. Link to the records Mac's team's broke. Also it's easy to break records with 8 nfl players on your defense and playing an easy schedule.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:18 pm to TJGator1215
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I can't wait to tell you two ignorant bastards I told you so when Mac is fired this year.
Dude I'm pretty negative on Mac but he's not getting fired next year-- the only way that happened was losing to Iowa failing at recruiting and then getting blown out by Michigan (it would have raised pressure too high on him).
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Wasn't he also terrible in 2014, but with more upperclassmen offensive talent surrounding him with a better line? They were no where near the same circumstance
You claimed the o was crappier mainly because of the qb. A bad qb will hamstring any offense, but Y'all had 2 better qbs on this roster than the 2014 O had, and it was a full td behind the 2014 O. 7 points is a big difference.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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yet outperformed the team in previous years.
Because of your defense against an easier east schedule. A better record doesn't always mean a team is better FYI. Very similar looking teams from 14-16. It's true
And it was nice to see you skip the recruiting point again. You just hate tj is right about that.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:35 pm to montanagator
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Dude I'm pretty negative on Mac but he's not getting fired next year-- the only way that happened was losing to Iowa failing at recruiting and then getting blown out by Michigan (it would have raised pressure too high on him).
Definitely not getting fired, but he completed the mission at recruiting and destroyed Iowa -- Michigan lost a lot of talent and couldn't beat a team we destroyed last year.
We'll see what happens, we're gonna be young on defense and finally have some decent players on offense.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:48 pm to montanagator
When you see the dumpster fire this team is you to will see the light. If it was Foley I'd agree but that mothball smelling frugal bastard is gone. Stricklin is already feeling the heat from fans on Twitter. The excuses this year when this team blows on defense is that we're young! Or Mac needs more time to fix his offense!! No. UF needs to fix the problem by quit hiring coaches that have no business being here. Foley did that 3 times and look how far he's torpedoed the program along with his cheap spending and meddling in the AD search. We have 2 below average DTs who have experience, ?s all over the defense and the same ?s all over the offense again for a 7th straight year with a ridiculously tough schedule. A young team with the least amount of talent UF has had in forever against a hard schedule is a recipe for 6-6 and 7-5. 7-5 is my prediction. The offense is going to struggle and teams are going to run right up the middle for huge yards this year due to avg DT recruiting. Hell Urban freaking Meyer went 9-4 with nfl players and an all star coaching staff.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:05 pm to TJGator1215
Whoever is moderating this page, why no anchor for this thread? This guy is not a Gator fan and is clearly trolling.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:52 pm to bigDgator
I'm more of a gator fan than you, straws, and Atl combined. I just refuse to live in a fantasy of delusion and see the current state of the program for what it is. A meddling display of mediocrity from The top down. You don't have to be itt. You can go back to the gator board and continue the Mac circle jerk. Good day.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 8:54 pm
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