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re: 4* RB James Cook (Miami Central) decommits from FSU
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:24 pm to BranchDawg
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:24 pm to BranchDawg
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We think he's the other guy.
Good point but the poster I was referring to said they are selling him on being the other guy. That's what's surprising.
We can't keep letting former AU guys go to our rivals, they are too experienced in the art of the bagman.
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:35 pm to RandySavage
Cook was quoted earlier as being the lighting to Zeus's thunder so to speak. Not necessarily "the other guy" as in the backup. But the second head of a two headed monster.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:54 am to tylerdurden24
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Well, the pitch to Chubb and Michel was "be the next Gurley/Marshall" so assuming they can maintain the level of 1000 yard seasons and sick highlight reels, it could go on for a while
That's the thing tho. It's not like both guys are getting 1,000 yds. Usually just one guy is with the other in the 700-800 area. That's still really good but Auburn isn't that far off either yet somehow ya'll have built this image as a 2 back paradise while Auburn seems to be having a hard time selling "come be the guy" in our system. I was genuinely curious to see the difference in numbers betweeen UGA & AUB specifically since Malzahn got to AU. I threw in ya'lls 2012 season because it was a strong example of what ya'll are selling.
2012
Todd Gurley (UGA) 222 carries 1385 yds 6.2 avg 17 TDs
Keith Marshall (UGA) 117 carries 759 yds 6.5 avg 8 TDs
2013
Tre Mason (AUB) 317 carries 1816 yds 5.7 avg 23 TDs
Todd Gurley (UGA) 165 carries 989 yds 6.0 avg 10 TDs
Cameron Artis-Payne (AUB) 91 carries 610 yds 6.7 avg 6 TDs
Corey Grant (AUB) 66 carries 647 yds 9.8 avg 6 TDs
Brendan Douglas (UGA) 84 carries 345 yds 4.1 avg 3 TDs
J.J. Green (UGA) 68 carries 384 yds 5.6 avg 3 TDs
2014
Cameron Artis-Payne (AUB) 303 carries 1608 yds 5.3 avg 13 TDs
Nick Chubb (UGA) 219 carries 1547 yds 7.1 avg 14 TDs
Todd Gurley (UGA) 123 carries 911 yds 7.4 avg 9 TDs
Sony Michel (UGA) 64 carries 410 yds 6.4 avg 5 TDs
Corey Grant (AUB) 60 carries 364 yds 6.1 avg 3 TDs
2015
Sony Michel (UGA) 218 carries 1136 yds 5.2 avg 8 TDs
Peyton Barber (AUB) 23 carries 1017 yds 4.3 avg 13 TDs
Nick Chubb (UGA) 92 carries 747 yds 8.1 avg 7 TDs
Jovon Robinson (AUB) 117 carries 639 yds 5.5 avg 3 TDs
Keith Marshall (UGA) 68 carries 350 yds 5.1 avg 3 TDs
2016
Kamryn Pettway (AUB) 209 carries 1224 yds 5.9 avg 7 TDs
Nick Chubb (UGA) 224 carries 1130 yds 5.0 avg 8 TDs
Kerryon Johnson (AUB) 182 carries 895 yds 4.9 avg 11 TDs
Sony Michel (UGA) 152 carries 840 yds 5.5 avg 4 TDs
So 3 of the 4 seasons Malzahn has been at AU his top guy has outrushed UGA. Now some of that is no doubt injuries and the fact AU feeds one guy more. But Auburn's 2nd guy is usually in the same area as UGA's as well. 2012 & 2014 is probably what is being sold hard though and I can see how that can be appealing for recruits.
It's a credit to Georgia's recruiting that they have done a much better job of building that 1-2 rep that can convince multiple top backs to sign. It's not like AU is doing terrible either at RB recruiting but there is definitely a different level in star quality with who ya'll are getting compared to us. I just think it's interesting. Also it's why I want AU to back the truck up to steal McGee from yall this offseason
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:56 am to gatorhata9
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It doesn't even have to be centered around those 2 guys. They can simply pitch not being a work horse but still getting enough touches to create a name and move up draft boards.
I think this is probably what it is. I am starting to think "come be the only guy" pitch isn't selling the same anymore after seeing all these guys wear down in the NFL. Instead getting recruits to buy on to being a tandem with another back where you still get production but not the same wear seems to be working. Hoping AU does a better job of that moving forward but also we need some of our backs to be more successful in the NFL. Mason was looking solid until he lost his mind. Ya'll got Gurley as a big selling point the same way Malzahn leans heavily on Cam Newton
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:57 am to gatorhata9
Doesn't Bama have so many 5 star rbs a couple will have to transfer to play?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:03 am to TigerPaw1
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I think this is probably what it is. I am starting to think "come be the only guy" pitch isn't selling the same anymore after seeing all these guys wear down in the NFL. Instead getting recruits to buy on to being a tandem with another back where you still get production but not the same wear seems to be working. Hoping AU does a better job of that moving forward but also we need some of our backs to be more successful in the NFL. Mason was looking solid until he lost his mind. Ya'll got Gurley as a big selling point the same way Malzahn leans heavily on Cam Newton
There are a few more factors. Being a true pro-style tailback (i-formation, etc.), learning pass protection, etc. Malzahn's style isn't that well-suited to that development.
The biggest factor imo is that there's just been more recent major RB starpower at UGA recently.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:06 am to Buddy2012
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Doesn't Bama have so many 5 star rbs a couple will have to transfer to play?
Yea but thats at every position and they win titles
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:11 am to Crowknowsbest
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Being a true pro-style tailback (i-formation, etc.), learning pass protection, etc. Malzahn's style isn't that well-suited to that development.
Not sure I agree with that. We run the same type of old school power plays that are still being used some in the pros and backs are asked to pass protect. Plus lots of teams are moving to operating more out of the shotgun at the next level too. I think Malzahn's offense does hurt QBs & OL some for the next level but I don't think it has the same impact at RB
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The biggest factor imo is that there's just been more recent major RB starpower at UGA recently.
That's probably true. Auburn's "flashier guys" out of high school (Jovon Robinson, Roc Thomas, Kerryon Johnson) haven't put up the highlight films and big numbers. Instead it's been workhorse guys like Artis-Payne, Barber and Pettway who aren't really flashy so there isn't that same star appeal like UGA might have
I don't worry about AU RB recruiting because Malzahn has shown to get production at that spot but I do get jealous seeing all the talent you guys are piling up back there & want a piece
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:38 am to TigerPaw1
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Not sure I agree with that. We run the same type of old school power plays that are still being used some in the pros and backs are asked to pass protect. Plus lots of teams are moving to operating more out of the shotgun at the next level too. I think Malzahn's offense does hurt QBs & OL some for the next level but I don't think it has the same impact at RB
I don't think AU's offense hurts the RBs as bad, but it still doesn't have nearly the same look as what you see on Sundays. That has to effect perception, which is everything in recruiting.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:18 am to TigerPaw1
In my opinion at UGA the high profile player lately has been at rb but when I think of the high profile player for AU leading them it's been the qb that's been in the spotlight.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:23 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Enjoy your mediocrity.
Something you Georgia fans know all about.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:38 am to JRBayoutiger
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But y'all still uga..LOL y'all probably lose to the cocks and gators this year.
Keep this trash on the rant.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:40 am to JRBayoutiger
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Something you Georgia fans know all about.
We're not talking about ten wins a season and top 25 finishers here chief. We're talking Dooley level mediocrity where you guys will be at 6 wins a season and a complete rebuild after.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:55 am to gatorhata9
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Cook was quoted earlier as being the lighting to Zeus's thunder so to speak. Not necessarily "the other guy" as in the backup. But the second head of a two headed monster.
Cook doesn't have anywhere near lightning speed. The last 2 times he was timed in the 40 it was in the 4.7 range.
Swift is a lot better than him. Cook is a finesse runner without the speed. Highly overrated because of his brother.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:03 am to tgn931
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Cook doesn't have anywhere near lightning speed. The last 2 times he was timed in the 40 it was in the 4.7 range.
Swift is a lot better than him. Cook is a finesse runner without the speed. Highly overrated because of his brother.
His brother was not fast in the 40 either. However, he has explosive acceleration. Not sure if lil bro has that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:19 am to BloodSweat&Beers
His brother was not fast in the 40 either. However, he has explosive acceleration. Not sure if lil bro has that.
Dalvin did run a 4.49 and 4.5 @ the combine which is plenty fast. James ran a 4.71 recently and a 4.79 at Army AA underclassmen combine last year.
He doesn't have near the acceleration as his brother.
Dalvin did run a 4.49 and 4.5 @ the combine which is plenty fast. James ran a 4.71 recently and a 4.79 at Army AA underclassmen combine last year.
He doesn't have near the acceleration as his brother.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/5/17 at 12:04 pm to tgn931
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His brother was not fast in the 40 either. However, he has explosive acceleration. Not sure if lil bro has that.
Dalvin did run a 4.49 and 4.5 @ the combine which is plenty fast. James ran a 4.71 recently and a 4.79 at Army AA underclassmen combine last year.
He doesn't have near the acceleration as his brother.
4.49 is not fast but average for an NFL RB around 200 lbs.
He was always fast enough to run by UF DBs though.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:24 pm to tylerdurden24
He has baggage like his brother. Dalvin was committed to three different schools, He will probably do the same. Will end up at FSU in the end. Was trying to fight kids at the opening, good player but not worth the baggage
Posted on 7/7/17 at 2:37 am to tgn931
[quote]He doesn't have near the acceleration as his brother. [
I recently watched his film and he's pretty explosive. He hits the hole like a porn star.. Hard and Fast
I recently watched his film and he's pretty explosive. He hits the hole like a porn star.. Hard and Fast
Posted on 7/7/17 at 3:10 am to BreezyDawg
He may not be the flashiest back, but he will definitely get you yards when you need them. It would be another great get for the dawgs if he committed.
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