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Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:47 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:47 pm to Tuscaloosa
Then why the hell doesn’t it work in reverse? Makes no sense. If you push a player forward then his progress has been stopped by definition also. Push or pull his progress has stopped. I have also seen the refs let that go on the goal a lot. This rule is as fricked up as targeting and what actually is a catch. All those rules are stupid as hell and subjective. Guy was quick on the whistle. End of the game and overtime they gotta let them play and stay out of the game as a ref.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:47 pm to Tuscaloosa
There was no flag though. When have they enforced a missed penalty on a replay?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:48 pm to 3down10
But no flag was thrown right?
So, that was not the logic used by the ref, right?
So, that was not the logic used by the ref, right?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:50 pm to Smoke7024
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There was no flag though. When have they enforced a missed penalty on a replay?
That’s really not important to the discussion. Ultimately, whether the ref meant to call it that way or not doesn’t matter. The big hissy fit being thrown by everyone was that HiS fOrWaRd PrOgReSs WaSnT sToPpEd!!!1! - which it clearly was by rule, once his team mate started pulling on him.
IMO, that was likely the logic being used (as evidenced by the call being confirmed ) and the penalty was simply forgotten about because the line judge immediately began talking to the head ref.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:50 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That is correct. Start another thread about the blown missed penalty if you’d like.
Why? You’re arguing the rule as it’s written is forward progress stopped on the pull.
The pull wasn’t recognized because the penalty wasn’t called. And that’s not even considering how rarely that penalty is actually called.
You can’t claim it’s by the rule as it’s written and cherry pick part of it.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:51 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That’s really not important to the discussion. Ultimately, whether the ref meant to call it that way or not doesn’t matter.
What?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:52 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The pull wasn’t recognized because the penalty wasn’t called.
That’s not necessarily true. It could have simply been forgotten to be flagged, as the penalty would have been declined regardless - and the line judge responsible was immediately distracted by the head ref running in to get the call.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:53 pm to Smoke7024
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What?
Was your player being pulled by his teammate or not?
If the answer is yes, then the spot was correct.
I’m sorry you don’t like that.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:53 pm to Tuscaloosa
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It could have simply been forgotten to be flagged
What?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:54 pm to BluegrassBelle
I think this thread exists because one of the team was Tenn.
But I think you are right. No flag was thrown so the ref did not see a foul. At the moment, it seemed to me the ref called forward progress too soon, not because of some penalty he saw then decided not to flag.
But I think you are right. No flag was thrown so the ref did not see a foul. At the moment, it seemed to me the ref called forward progress too soon, not because of some penalty he saw then decided not to flag.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:54 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That’s not necessarily true. It could have simply been forgotten to be flagged, as the penalty would have been declined regardless - and the line judge responsible was immediately distracted by the head ref running in to get the call.
That’s a whole lot of word salad to say they claimed the forward progress stopped on the pull while not utilizing the rule as it’s written.
So the refs didn’t correctly utilize the rule. Either you call it or you don’t. They didn’t. Should’ve been a touchdown.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:56 pm to higgs_boson
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But no flag was thrown right?
So, that was not the logic used by the ref, right?
Don't know what the ref's logic was.
I just know they got the call right, and that's what matters.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
Exactly, this logic says a review could happen to see if someone stepped out of bounds at let’s say the 20 yard line on a long TD run. The guy didn’t but they say he did because there was a missed hold at the 25 that wasn’t flagged.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Should’ve been a touchdown.
This part we can definitively say is false. Unequivocally, unquestionably, irrefutably false.
The Tennessee player was being pulled by his teammate. That fact alone eliminates any argument for “it should have been a touchdown.”
No, it should have been a penalty. Regardless, forward progress was correctly called (and confirmed) by the official once the UT player began to be pulled by his teammate.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:59 pm to 3down10
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I just know they got the call right, and that's what matters.
I kind of think you are arguing they framed.a guilty man
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:00 pm to Tuscaloosa
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This part we can definitively say is false. Unequivocally, unquestionably, irrefutably false.
Disagree.
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The Tennessee player was being pulled by his teammate. That fact alone eliminates any argument for “it should have been a touchdown.”
If the pull doesn’t get called appropriately (and it wasn’t), his reach is good as he’s laying in top of a Purdue player and not down.
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No, it should have been a penalty. Regardless, forward progress was correctly called (and confirmed) by the official once the UT player began to be pulled by his teammate.
Then the ref violates the established rule by not calling the penalty and made up some shite on his own accord. Either it’s a penalty and the pull gets called (which stops forward progress) or it’s not called and he still has forward progress.
Y’all can’t have it both ways if you’re going to argue the ref should follow the rule as it’s written.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
Your stance that those two things are mutually exclusive is a fallacy. They’re not. That’s a two part decision. One part of that decision was enforced correctly, and the other wasn’t. Penalties can’t be assessed on replay, unfortunately, which I believe you pointed out earlier. Their “confirming” the spot was all we needed to know about it.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:04 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Your stance that those two things are mutually exclusive is a fallacy. They’re not. That’s a two part decision. One part of that decision was enforced correctly, and the other wasn’t. Penalties can’t be assessed on replay, which I believe you pointed out earlier.
You’re making it a two part decision when it’s all part of one rule.
You’re openly advocating for more subjectivity on the ref’s behalf by allowing them to not fully exercise the rule as it is written.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:04 pm to higgs_boson
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I kind of think you are arguing they framed.a guilty man
The replay booth could have easily seen it and that is why the call was confirmed. Not even stands, it was confirmed.
Which is most likely what happened.
Or maybe they just blew it and got lucky.
Either way, right outcome.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You’re making it a two part decision when it’s all part of one rule.
But there are two parts of that one rule. Forward progress being stopped, and a penalty being assessed.
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You’re openly advocating for more subjectivity on the ref’s behalf by allowing them to not fully exercise the rule as it is written.
No, I’m saying he botched the part where he was supposed to throw a flag and call a penalty that would have subsequently been declined. Replay confirmed his decision to call forward progress at the point where the UT player began the pull.
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