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re: Yet another supposed playoff team got ran off the field today ...

Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:59 am to
Posted by flagshipuniversity
Camden SC, Charlotte NC
Member since Jul 2024
486 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:59 am to
You could go to 100 teams and the team that was at 101 would make an argument about how it was screwed. The format is flawed. There should be set numbers from each conference and then let the conference deal with the "who goes". The SEC and the B1G should get 4 each, the ACC and Big 10 get 2 each. The group of 5 should have a bowl game between the 2 highest ranked and let that be their reward for the season. Just my opinion.
Posted by theballguy
Between DC and Colorado
Member since Oct 2011
18959 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:16 am to
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People saying they wish Army could make the playoffs ain't the same as saying they should be in.


That's exactly what it is.
Posted by theballguy
Between DC and Colorado
Member since Oct 2011
18959 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:19 am to
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I forgot but they were huge dogs this season and mopped the floor with a powerhouse team that only scored 3 points total.


Why do you think Alabama is a powerhouse team?

No Bama fans who have an understanding of the game begged for Bama to be in.
Posted by theballguy
Between DC and Colorado
Member since Oct 2011
18959 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:20 am to
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There should be set numbers from each conference and then let the conference deal with the "who goes".


I like this idea and it should be 2 at most.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:31 am to
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Who was arguing for Army to be in the playoffs?


In fairness to the OP, had Boise lost another game it probably would have been Army in the playoffs as the G5 rep, wouldn't it?
I think they were the next team up.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:36 am to
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Honestly, 4 was fine. At most 8. 12 is too many.


I would argue 4 was fine but if people had to have more then 6 at most.

I remember when people argued for allowing more freedom for players to move from team to team (Coaches can...players should, too!), players should be paid!, playoffs should be expanded to 12 (Now arguing for 16)....

After people get what they want they then lament how college football has been ruined and they will stop watching. You can't make this up. Fans ruins things with their demands and when they get what they asked for they move on the something new to ruin.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:40 am to
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4 teams was not fine. Several teams had legitimate gripes.


Rarely did more than 4 teams have a legit gripe. Rarely. More often than not we had big blowouts in the first round. And i would rather have 1 team thinking they should have been in than having 5 teams with absolutely not business being in the playoffs with two of those having first round byes.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:44 am to
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This year proved the conference champs guarantee is stupid.


While I agree...this will always be a demand of the weaker conferences.

ACC, Big 12 and the G5 will always demand they are included. Then you have the Notre Dame problem. The media darlings will always be propped up by the media.
When you have 6+ teams slated for the playoffs, the powers that be will argue for inclusion of the lesser conferences.

With 6 teams it will be ND, the 4 P4 conferences champions and a G5.
With 8 it will be the 4 P4 conferences, ND, a G5 representative and 3 at large. (It might even be argued that the PAC 12 be included with 1 at large.)
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American southerner
Member since Nov 2013
43140 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:46 am to
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Who was arguing for Army to be in the playoffs?



not sure


no idea...
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:47 am to
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Edit: There was point in the season where they were undefeated & in contention for the automatic G5 bid but I don't think that's what we're talking about. At least I hope not.


Do you not realize that had Boise lost one more game Army would have been in the playoffs as the G5 rep? (Probably) That's how close they were.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27819 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 8:02 am to
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Take a nap my brother. Nobody made a case for Army to be in the playoffs.


The hell they didn't. The Vol poster's thread arguing for Army is still on the first page, and that post was updated 36 times to 19 downvotes.

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This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 8:05 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58292 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 8:03 am to
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While I agree...this will always be a demand of the weaker conferences.


Don't care. They need the stronger conferences. The reverse is not true.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Don't care. They need the stronger conferences. The reverse is not true.



Maybe. But it sure worked for them this time, didn't it? Why would any of us think it would not work again? It will always be a thing to allow 4-5 conference champions to make a 12-16 team playoff. It will also be a thing to allow the best G5 team in. In fact, I would venture to guess that it will become worse if the playoffs are expanded to 16 teams.

I felt 4 teams was right, but if people insisted on expansion I could live with 6 teams. 12 was never going to work, and 16 will make it even worse.
The problem was not necessarily to let the conference champions in the playoffs, but to give them a first round bye.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
8759 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:17 pm to
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I would argue 4 was fine


After the SEC and BIG skewed the whole landscape to hell by super-sizing with every power program, it would be pretty funny to see a populist coup make playoffs just conference champs.

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60648 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:04 pm to
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After the SEC and BIG skewed the whole landscape to hell by super-sizing with every power program, it would be pretty funny to see a populist coup make playoffs just conference champs.



Every sports team and league tries to make itself better. To not try to, means certain death. I don't mind them trying to put a better product on the field. And it was more interesting seeing Georgia/Texas and Oregon/OSU games this past season. Matchups we probably would not have seen without the expansion. The problem came in because the PAC 12 and Big 12 had very little to offer in the way of expansion and either stood pat or added nothing of substance to their lineup.

Now we have Arizona State and Boise State with byes in the playoffs. That is the #9 and #12 team getting a top 4 seed and leaving the #3 ND #4 ranked teams getting treated as cellar dwellers.

If they insist on giving the conference champions an automatic bye....fine. But they certainly do not deserve a bye.
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