re: Would you support Florida State to the SEC?

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I want us to beat the best teams

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My point is that will happen regardless. You still have an 8 game SEC schedule, which will in itself be daunting. Some teams (UGA, UF, SC) have an instate OOC game as well every year. Then there's the SEC Championship. Then after that, up to 2 games against 2 of the top 4 ranked teams in the country.

That's still a ridiculously tough gauntlet to run through, even WITH a ULM or someone in the regular season. Taking out ULM and adding a FSU or oklahoma is just suicide.

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I don't want an easy way out.

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It's the SEC brotha, there is no "easy" way out. If you make it to the final 4 after SEC Championship weekend, you've earned it.

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Yeah. Why should I give a frick about revenue and media markets? I like football, and FSU is a big time program. I understand some conference exec or tv magnate being against it, but I don't see how any fan could say no

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THIS X1000

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it has everything to do with wanting to put my team in the best possible position to make the final 4. Ultimately, that's the only bottom line any fan should care about.

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Then go join the ACC or American Athletic Conference. Goodness As a fan, I want to be entertained. LSU going 12-0 against a bunch of directional schools would not be entertaining at all. It would be boring as hell. I'd take 10-2 against a tough schedule over that any year.

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I want us to beat the best teams. If we're not the best, so be it. I don't want an easy way out. But that's just me.

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There are only so many games you can get up for in a season. It's very hard for even the best team to go undefeated. Adding more top teams to the conference increases the odds that the conference cannibalizes itself

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There are only so many games you can get up for in a season. It's very hard for even the best team to go undefeated. Adding more top teams to the conference increases the odds that the conference cannibalizes itself

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Wow. Thats almost a direct quote from Ray Goff, UGA football coach, in 1992.

UGA has always been pussies I guess.

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Wow. Thats almost a direct quote from Ray Goff, UGA football coach, in 1992.

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what did he say?

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UGA has always been pussies I guess.

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At least we schedule multiple tough opponents OOC. Not everyone can say the same.

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what did he say?

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A team gets up for, hitting on all cylinders, three...maybe four times a season - if you are lucky. Repeated it on radio three years ago on the Sunday recap he used to do. There is some validity to it but opponent plays into it. Who couldn't get up for FSU?

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genro

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I'm not using the "get up" argument, but do you disagree that adding more tough teams makes things more difficult? Even in the midst of bama's legendary run, you've only gone undefeated once.

In addition to playing auburn/lsu/tennessee/aTm/whoever else from the east, and an SEC championship, you don't think it'd be more difficult playing FSU on top of that?

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"What's gonna happen is we're gonna beat each other up

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That's true isn't it?

Since 2000 only 3 teams have gone undefeated through an SEC schedule. 2 of those teams are probably the top 2 or 3 teams in that school's history.

It has been very fortuitious for the league that even with losses (sometimes 2) the SEC teams have still played for a title. But I don't see how you can say that playing tougher teams makes it MORE likely to make the final 4.

And as I've said, making the final 4 should be the only thing that matters.

Undefeated seasons are already becoming a thing of the past. Up until the 90s there would several major teams undefeated at the end of every year. Now, most years, there are none.

The SEC will get its respect, and its representative, even if we beat each other up. We live in an age where Bama gets a rematch, where LSU wins a title with two losses, and where there was strong consideration of potentially voting a 1-loss SEC champion over an undefeated B1G champion.

In my view, FSU may replace another SEC representative in the tournament, but their addition wouldn't prevent any SEC team from being in the tournament.

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Because you said all you cared about was your team winning as many games as possible

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True. 9 of our games are already set, so we have 3 other games to play around with.

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Would that not happen for you in a lesser conference?

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What would chairs look like if our legs bent the other way? UGA is not going to another conference so it's not even worth acknowledging.

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You gain nothing by beating shitty teams added to this conference

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UF won 2 national titles playing an average OOC schedule. Does anyone care now about that?

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You lose everything for your trip to the final 4 if you lose to those shitty teams.

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The chance of losing to an average OOC team is far less than losing to an FSU/Ohio State/Oklahoma/whoever

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You gain everything by beating a quality opponent like FSU

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but you could just as easily lose...

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If you lose, it's not a bad loss and you can still make it to the final 4.

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A loss is a loss. There are 4 teams making it to the playoff. Who knows how many will be undefeated. What if all 4 are undefeated? Also in your scenario of FSU being in the SEC, if you lose that game you might not even play for the SECCG, which basically eliminates your chances entirely.

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How you fail to see this is mind-boggling

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How bout I play a schedule of 8 SEC teams, GT, and 3 average teams and you play the top 12 teams in the country and we'll see who has a better record at the end of the year.