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re: Would Bama have won as much or more with Manziel at QB instead of McCarron?
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:04 pm to Shingo
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:04 pm to Shingo
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So do think it's a good idea for a coach to get a freshman qb as many reps as he can? Heading into sec play? Discussing football with you is fun.
Are you saying throwing for a few extra TD's against FCS teams and/or FBS teams that rank lower than some FCS teams provides a ton of benefit?
When your scout team probably provides a better opponent, I'd say it has limited effect if any.
Alabama won 2 of the last 3 national championships with 1st year QB's and didn't need it. And made it to the playoffs with Blake Sims this past year and didn't need to do it.
Hell, FCS games are games where you get to let your guys who never play in games have fun. But not for A&M.
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:19 pm to 3down10
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7 total TDs against the top 5 teams he faced. 7 total. Barely more than 1 TD per game.
69% completion rate for 241yds/game passing, and 87 yds/game rushing, in those 5 games. if you extrapolated those 5 games out to 12, you would have played the hardest schedule likely in the history of college football. 2 BCS teams, a peach bowl LSU team, and the miss schools were bowling as well. since we are only discussing what lead to the heisman, your "5 best teams" also leaves out a 516 yard, 4 TD performance against an oklahoma team that finished(?) ranked #15 in teh AP.
for all of your cupcake talk, a&m ended up playing the 6th toughest SOS in the country in 2012 per sagarin.
oklahoma, lsu, florida, and bama all ended up ranked in sagarin's top 12.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:21 pm to 3down10
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3down10
You're just being biased. AJ was a great QB for Bama and will probably last longer in the pros than Manziel but Manziel was a way better college QB than him. AJ had best OL in CFB, 2 1K yd rushers, Cooper, and the best defense in the nation. If AJ had to play on team that was equally talented as A&M while having to drop back and throw or run for well over half the snaps do you really think he would've put up close to the numbers Manziel did or won as many games? Hell no he wouldn't.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:36 pm to 3down10
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3down10
stats agasint FCS teams in 2012:
SCSU - 15/20, 174yds passing. 8 for 78 yds rushing. didn't play in 2nd half.
SHSU - 14/20, 267yds passing. 16 for 100yds rushing. played for exactly 1 down in the 2nd half (a TD pass).
remove these stats completely from the records, and he still breaks the single season yardage record (in three less games than cam newton played), and still wins the 2012 heisman. no one points to these games as to why he deserved the trophy.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:44 pm to CrimsonFever
No. Manziel wouldn't have been as good of a qb in a power offense. He excelled in the spread bc he had more room to do what he wanted.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 9:12 pm to G2160
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69% completion rate for 241yds/game passing, and 87 yds/game rushing, in those 5 games. if you extrapolated those 5 games out to 12, you would have played the hardest schedule likely in the history of college football. 2 BCS teams, a peach bowl LSU team, and the miss schools were bowling as well. since we are only discussing what lead to the heisman, your "5 best teams" also leaves out a 516 yard, 4 TD performance against an oklahoma team that finished(?) ranked #15 in teh AP.
for all of your cupcake talk, a&m ended up playing the 6th toughest SOS in the country in 2012 per sagarin.
oklahoma, lsu, florida, and bama all ended up ranked in sagarin's top 12.
They played in the SEC West, of course they ended up with a tough SoS. But that is the only place they had strength. Those games made up 8 of the total games on the schedule and all 5 of the games with low TD's were SEC teams.
When they played the difficult parts of the schedule, he struggled. And when he played the easier parts, he put up monster numbers.
His completion % is high because of his scrambling ability. He was able to scramble out of situations where a pocket passer is forced to throw the ball away.
Which is his best asset and what made him a good player. But don't act like he has a high completion % because he is a great passer.
It's not a coincidence he was shut down at the next level where everyone is a better defense and the backyard shite doesn't cut it.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 9:14 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You're just being biased. AJ was a great QB for Bama and will probably last longer in the pros than Manziel but Manziel was a way better college QB than him. AJ had best OL in CFB, 2 1K yd rushers, Cooper, and the best defense in the nation. If AJ had to play on team that was equally talented as A&M while having to drop back and throw or run for well over half the snaps do you really think he would've put up close to the numbers Manziel did or won as many games? Hell no he wouldn't.
I'm not even trying to say AJ was a better player in college than Manziel.
But I don't think Manziel could have done what he did.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 9:18 pm to G2160
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stats agasint FCS teams in 2012:
SCSU - 15/20, 174yds passing. 8 for 78 yds rushing. didn't play in 2nd half.
SHSU - 14/20, 267yds passing. 16 for 100yds rushing. played for exactly 1 down in the 2nd half (a TD pass).
remove these stats completely from the records, and he still breaks the single season yardage record (in three less games than cam newton played), and still wins the 2012 heisman. no one points to these games as to why he deserved the trophy.
Take away the Alabama win and he doesn't win the Heisman.
As I said, he won the Heisman based on hyped stats from bad teams(more than just the FCS teams), and the big win against Alabama.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 9:50 pm to 3down10
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3down10
consider this my last post on this topic.
in the 5 games that you cherry-picked to show whatever point it is that you're trying to make, manziel averaged 328ypg.
cam newton averaged 309ypg in 2010.
again, i'm not trying to suggest that manziel > or < cam newton.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 11:18 pm to 3down10
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I'm not even trying to say AJ was a better player in college than Manziel.
But I don't think Manziel could have done what he did.
Manziel wouldn't have worked at Bama because of the system and because of Saban and him being so different. But if Manziel had the best OL, RB duo, HC, and defense in the nation at A&M he could've have easily won back to back titles.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:43 am to G2160
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consider this my last post on this topic.
in the 5 games that you cherry-picked to show whatever point it is that you're trying to make, manziel averaged 328ypg.
cam newton averaged 309ypg in 2010.
again, i'm not trying to suggest that manziel > or < cam newton.
Because he scrambles instead of throwing the ball out of bounds.
As I said, he was very good at that.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:49 am to 1BamaRTR
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Manziel wouldn't have worked at Bama because of the system and because of Saban and him being so different. But if Manziel had the best OL, RB duo, HC, and defense in the nation at A&M he could've have easily won back to back titles.
If A&M fans weren't trying to prove how good Manziel was, I'm sure they'd quickly let you know they have had their fair share of NFL talent drafted. It's not like he was playing for UAB, or even Vandy.
And if he had played with a good defense, he wouldn't have half the stats.
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