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re: Wooddale High guidance counselor admits creating transcript for student-athlete

Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:15 am to
Posted by tkane311
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:15 am to
Will you pass along that some random anonymous guy (me) has it on good authority that you might be a tool shed? Or is that not the appropriate mix of provocative, useless, and absolutely unverifiable?

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Posted by Message ALLIN Wooddale High guidance counselor admits creating transcript for student-athlete Just repeating what is being posted on the other forums I'm reading along with this one.
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 12:17 am
Posted by ALLIN
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:18 am to
I'm reading VolNation, Hogville, and WollyAL right now
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:19 am to
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I'm reading VolNation, Hogville, and WollyAL right now
I found your problem. Stay away from those fricking retarded sites.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:23 am to
So rewind repeat. At the end of all this AU is cleared and the rest of the SECr is left holding their flaccid dicks, looking for answers. All the while Gene is sleeping like a baby when he lays his head on his pillow at night.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:25 am to
I always want Trooper Taylor 10,000 miles away from Auburn, until NSD rolls around. We have a love/hate relationship.
Posted by allin2010
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:33 am to
Silver lining. Better to know now instead of later since he has not played in. Game.

Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:34 am to
I hope this isn't a wall of text...
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From a very reliable poster from TOS:

THE MAJOR QUESTIONS IN THE JOVON ROBINSON TRANSCRIPTS DEBACLE

from www.warblogle.com

Earlier today, Kyle Veazey of the Memphis Commercial Appeal broke the news that following an inquiry from the NCAA, a guidance counselor at the high school of Auburn freshman Jovon Robinson resigned after admitting to doctoring Robinson's transcripts. While it sounds like the story is mostly over for the guidance counselor, it is just starting for the athlete, who expected to get his college career underway later this month.

Robinson's eligibility and Auburn's fate rests on three questions. First, how much help did the falsified transcripts give Robinson? Two, what did Robinson know about the counselor's actions? And three, how involved was Auburn?

How Much Help Were the Transcripts?

Job one for the NCAA, specifically the NCAA Eligibility Center, is to figure out what Robinson's real grades were and whether he would still have been a qualifier. The assumption is that if there was a fraudulent transcript, it was because he was going to be a nonqualifier. But it could be that Robinson was going to be close and the new transcript made him appear to be a qualifier by a safer margin. Or it could have been falsified to meet admissions standards at Auburn or another school.

Even if Robinson's true grades leave him a nonqualifier, how short he is would be critical for his chances at an initial eligibility waiver. And depending on the answer to the next question, he may have quite a bit of mitigation.

What Did the Athlete Know?

It might be hard to stomach another Auburn eligibility issue resting on what an athlete knew, but it applies here. The NCAA could end up in one of three places:

? Evidence that Robinson knew or was active in falsifying his transcripts. ? Evidence that Robinson did not know. ? No evidence or inconclusive evidence either way.

The first makes sense. As for the second, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to prove you did not know something. But you can show some evidence. For instance, if Robinson asked his counselor what extra work he should do or suspected he was not going to be eligible and wanted to know what he needed to do to fix the situation. Or if the counselor had told Robinson for a long time that he would be fine.

What Did Auburn Know?

What Auburn knew should not have too much impact on Robinson's eligibility, unless Auburn was how Robinson knew his transcripts were being falsified. Rather, what Auburn knew or did will mostly impact Auburn. Pressuring a high school guidance counselor would be a serious charge for the university. It would be almost guaranteed to result in individuals being fired and charged with ethical conduct violations, and would likely be a major violation for Auburn as well. Simply knowing it will happen and allowing it would be almost as bad. But those violations take time to process and are secondary to determining Robinson's eligibility as soon as possible.

So What Should the NCAA Do?

Robinson's eligibility is a complex question because there are two issues right now: whether he would have been a qualifier and whether he knew about the guidance counselor's actions. If Robinson had knowledge of or participated in the academic fraud, that would be an ethical conduct violation with a normal penalty of a one-year suspension and losing a season of competition. If Robinson was also going to be a nonqualifier, that would mean he would need to go the junior college route, be starting with three seasons of eligibility, and maybe need to sit out for a year when he returns to Division I.

If the NCAA does not have evidence that Robinson knew what was going on and he was going to be a qualifier anyway, nothing should happen with his eligibility. If there is no clear evidence either way and Robinson was going to be a nonqualifier, he should just be declared a nonqualifier and would have to leave Auburn unless he can get a waiver.

However if Robinson can show clear evidence he did not know what was going on and was going to be a nonqualifier, that would be strong mitigation and he likely deserves a waiver. Even if he would have been very short, he should get a partial waiver to keep his scholarship and continue practicing with the team, just not be cleared to play this year.

Finally, if Auburn was involved and Robinson was not, he should have the opportunity to leave Auburn. He should not be declared ineligible and forced to leave. Rather, he should be permitted to void his National Letter of Intent, transfer without restriction, and be immediately eligible if he decided to leave Auburn.

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Posted on August 10, 2012 by John Infante This entry was posted in Bylaws, Transfer Rules and tagged Eligibility, Football Recruiting, NCAA. Bookmark the permalink.
Posted by MaroonNation
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:38 am to

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Kyle Veazey


Y'all are fricked. I had no idea he was the reporter. Ask any State or OM person about him. He was our beat writer for a few years and did nothing but try and dig shite up on us. Then he went to Oxford to cover OM and did the same thing to him. Dude is a bloodhoud and looking for his Pulitzer... He will not go away once he is on to something
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 12:42 am
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:39 am to
Pretty much, if we had nothing to do with his grade changes, we are good to go. He's pretty much screwed at this point, unless there wasn't a very large portion if his grades changed, and he would've made it in regardless of the change.
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:45 am to
I've never seen such a testament to the human spirit.

When all of your investigative work and flow charts fall into the crapper and prove you to be a giant tool, most people would give up in the chase to bring down a program, but not ATPBers. No, they have resilience. They have heart.


But more important than anything else, they are fun to laugh at.
Posted by boddagetta
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:45 am to
Should I expect a presser @ 4 tomorrow?
Posted by TideGolfer
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:51 am to
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if we had nothing to do with his grade changes


That is a big "if" considering you had just lost TJ Yeldon to the Tide.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:55 am to
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That is a big "if" considering you had just lost TJ Yeldon to the Tide.
Meh, not really. The counselor didn't change them right when he commited to us. They were changed later on from what I've gathered.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:56 am to
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quote:
Kyle Veazey


Y'all are fricked. I had no idea he was the reporter. Ask any State or OM person about him. He was our beat writer for a few years and did nothing but try and dig shite up on us. Then he went to Oxford to cover OM and did the same thing to him. Dude is a bloodhoud and looking for his Pulitzer... He will not go away once he is on to something


Oh shite we are screwed this will be the first time a bloodthirsty reporter has gone after AU. Oh noz!!!
Posted by TideGolfer
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 12:57 am to
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Meh, not really. The counselor didn't change them right when he commited to us. They were changed later on from what I've gathered.


It would look better for Auburn if the grades had been change before the flip!
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 1:01 am to
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It would look better for Auburn if the grades had been change before the flip!
Well, considering that his Senior year was only half over before he commited to Auburn, I'd say that wouldn't make sense... Why change a player's grades before he has a chance to earn them the correct way?
Posted by AMM AU9893
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 1:02 am to
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Well, considering that his Senior year was only half over before he commited to Auburn, I'd say that wouldn't make sense... Why change a player's grades before he has a chance to earn them the correct way?

I think you mean signed. He committed in July
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 1:02 am to
wait until Thayer Evans takes the case
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 1:04 am to
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Why change a player's grades before he has a chance to earn them the correct way?


That's actually a good question. Unless his grades were so bad that the counselor knew he didn't have a shot to gain eligibility otherwise. There's only so much that can be done in one semester. 4-6 classes aren't going to fix a 1.0-1.5 GPA (just an example... no idea what kind of GPA he actually had).
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 1:05 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 1:04 am to
And Sports by Brooks will be kicking in soon.
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