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re: Will Mizzou ever move to the SEC West?
Posted on 4/19/12 at 11:54 am to ThaKaptin
Posted on 4/19/12 at 11:54 am to ThaKaptin
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It basicly boils down to the fact that they are both cry baby bitches that took their ball and went home cause they didnt get their way.
Very true, but I really don't care anymore. Let 'em whine. We're on to bigger and better things.
And for those who want Oklahome and Okie Lite - be careful what you wish for. You won't get one without the other, and together they wouldn't bring enough money - just not a big enough state. Everyone's yearly payout would go down. Looking to NCState and VT would be a far better option. That way you'd get 2 new, well-populated states in the footprint rather than 1 state with not many people.
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Posted on 4/19/12 at 11:55 am to mizzoukills
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Am I the only one who's fine with the East?
Yes, I doubt Mizzou is excited about making those long hauls to Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia every year.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 11:57 am to Hugo Stiglitz
right but they used to have to go places like texas tech, baylor, ok state
at least the destination is worth it now
at least the destination is worth it now
Posted on 4/19/12 at 11:59 am to ThaKaptin
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WTF kind of mud you looking through?
Simple financial gain.Super Conferences have been discussed for years.These changes are about money.The SEC is too big now for every team to play each other.
If conferences were forming today,do you think State and Vandy would be invited over Texas and OU? Who else in Big 12 will bring tv ratings?
I wish SEC remained at 12 to allow for nore yrly games with conference members.
Once again,don't be surprised to see more changes in college football.I hate it's going this way.
Can State and Vandy compete in football? OU and Texas could compete.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:00 pm to MetryTyger
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The SEC West should be:
A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Miss. State,
Alashama.
The SEC East should be:
Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
As much as I would like to keep Alabama in the West, that wouldn't work. That would ruin either the rivalry with Tennessee or Auburn. If Alabama were to go to the east, both could be kept intact.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:01 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Am I the only one who's fine with the East?
I'm fine with the East too. I think it's better for us right now. I see things changing down the road, but maybe not for many years.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:06 pm to NWLATigerFan12
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As much as I would like to keep Alabama in the West, that wouldn't work. That would ruin either the rivalry with Tennessee or Auburn. If Alabama were to go to the east, both could be kept intact.
What you are suggesting leaves LSU with former Big 12 and SWC schools and non of the traditional SEC powers.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:13 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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Bernie Moore - regarding Mizzou being "left out" in your list, i would respectfully suggest that the STL and KC market sizes would have Mizzou gobbled up by one of these giant entities you speak of before a South Carolina or Arkansas or Ole Miss would. For the same reasons that the SEC just gobbled Mizzou up instead of West Virginia.
Yes,love the way Mizzou has 50k fans in their stadium while Carolina with 2 major programs packs in over 80k and Arky brings in over 70k with half the population of Missouri. Same with OU and Nebraska.
College football not that big in state of Missori.
You may have the markets,but they don't watch college football.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:53 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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tigerboyinhogland - there is one reason and one reason only why that couldn't happen and that is that Bob Stoops is scurred of SEC competition. Or more to the point, he likes his little set up he has now of just needing to beat up on Texas and usually one other decent challenger each year and being able to waltz right into a BCS game, rather than really having to grind and earn it in your league. That's the only reason that the PAC was something OU was willing to move to but not the SEC.
If it were so easy howcome Missouri never did it? Heck it if were so easy howcome Missouri never made a BCS game in the Big 12?
Posted on 4/19/12 at 1:14 pm to Bernie Moore
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Yes,love the way Mizzou has 50k fans in their stadium while Carolina with 2 major programs packs in over 80k and Arky brings in over 70k with half the population of Missouri. Same with OU and Nebraska.
College football not that big in state of Missori.
You may have the markets,but they don't watch college football.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:02 pm to kilo
50k? Holy hyperbole, Batman!
Mizzou football attendance averages
2011: 62,095 (4th in Big 12 and 25th in Nation)
2010: 61,540 (5th in Big 12 and 26th in Nation)
2009: 64,120 (5th in Big 12 and 28th in Nation)
2008: 64,520 (5th in Big 12 and 26th in Nation)
etc.
Looks to me like you are getting a solid, steady diet of 60-65k attendance per year that is always in the nation's top 30. That being before the coming influx of SEC roadtrippers plus heightened local interest over having teams like UGA and Bama coming to town.
Mizzou football attendance averages
2011: 62,095 (4th in Big 12 and 25th in Nation)
2010: 61,540 (5th in Big 12 and 26th in Nation)
2009: 64,120 (5th in Big 12 and 28th in Nation)
2008: 64,520 (5th in Big 12 and 26th in Nation)
etc.
Looks to me like you are getting a solid, steady diet of 60-65k attendance per year that is always in the nation's top 30. That being before the coming influx of SEC roadtrippers plus heightened local interest over having teams like UGA and Bama coming to town.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:06 pm to Bernie Moore
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Yes,love the way Mizzou has 50k fans in their stadium while Carolina with 2 major programs packs in over 80k and Arky brings in over 70k with half the population of Missouri. Same with OU and Nebraska.
College football not that big in state of Missori.
You may have the markets,but they don't watch college football.
50k? 2 Carolina programs with over 80k?
DaleDenton alter?
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:07 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Where would those attendance numbers rank in the SEC? Have to think fairly far below 5th ... top of my head schools who are likely to average higher attendance than Mizzou (in no particular order)
A&M
Bama
LSU
Florida
Arky
SC
Georgia
Auburn
Tennessee
A&M
Bama
LSU
Florida
Arky
SC
Georgia
Auburn
Tennessee
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:08 pm to Tigercoop40
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Don't know if it would work but the other two big teams I would like in the SEC are Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.
frick. That.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:08 pm to accnodefense
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Heck it if were so easy howcome Missouri never made a BCS game in the Big 12?
Funny you point this out, this amongst many other reasons, is why we are all so excited to be in the SEC.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:08 pm to BreakawayZou83
He means South Carolina and he's almost right though not quite. USC hovers near that but is below 80k sometimes. Clemson is same way.
Another way to look at it is that even with that increased crowd size, South Carolina gets a ranking right around 19th/20th nationally most years in attendance while Mizzou is right around 26th or so. Not exactly a wide gap in the national rankings there.
Another way to look at it is that even with that increased crowd size, South Carolina gets a ranking right around 19th/20th nationally most years in attendance while Mizzou is right around 26th or so. Not exactly a wide gap in the national rankings there.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:10 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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He means South Carolina and he's almost right though not quite. USC hovers near that but is below 80k sometimes. Clemson is same way.
I thought he was talking about non-SEC schools, so Clemson + NC State or something...
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:11 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
BigAggie06 - you are right, but the majority of the SEC is in the nation's Top 25 in attendance annually. It's the most football crazed league in the nation and we all know that. But if the SEC as a league is already dominating the Top 25 in attendance then it was gonna have a hard time adding many schools that would be at that same level, since it's already above everyone else in the country in attendance. My point is, adding a team that is always ranked at least in the 25 to 30 range in attendance like Mizzou is not exactly shabby or a sign that its a school that doesn't care about football. On the contrary, a team can rank in the bottom half of SEC attendance and yet still be in the nation's top 25 in attendance (see Kentucky).
This post was edited on 4/19/12 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:17 pm to BigAggie06
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Where would those attendance numbers rank in the SEC? Have to think fairly far below 5th ... top of my head schools who are likely to average higher attendance than Mizzou (in no particular order)
A&M
Bama
LSU
Florida
Arky
SC
Georgia
Auburn
Tennessee
from 2010 - I'm sure there are numbers from last season as well
1. Michigan 7 782,776 111,825
2. Ohio St. 8 842,221 105,278
3. Penn St. 7 729,636 104,234
4. Alabama 7 712,747 101,821
5. Texas 7 704,580 100,654
6. Tennessee 7 698,465 99,781
7. Georgia 6 556,476 92,746
8. LSU 7 649,023 92,718
9. Florida 7 633,579 90,511
10. Auburn 8 688,692 86,087
11. Nebraska 7 599,648 85,664
12. Oklahoma 6 508,426 84,738
13. Texas A&M 7 577,338 82,477
14. Notre Dame 7 565,565 80,795
15. Southern California 6 479,444 79,907
16. Wisconsin 7 559,035 79,862
17. Clemson 7 542,280 77,469
18. South Carolina 7 536,675 76,668
19. Michigan St. 7 514,894 73,556
20. Florida St. 7 498,890 71,270
21. Iowa 7 494,095 70,585
22. Arkansas 6 413,591 68,932
23. Washington 6 397,581 66,264
24. Virginia Tech 7 463,631 66,233
25. Kentucky 7 462,488 66,070
26. Missouri 6 369,240 61,540
27. BYU 6 368,283 61,381
28. UCLA 6 362,253 60,376
29. Oregon 6 356,387 59,398
30. North Carolina 6 349,500 58,250
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That's 11 of the 14 SEC schools - with the Mississippi schools and Vanderbilt not in the top 30
Posted on 4/19/12 at 2:39 pm to molsusports
molsusports - what's telling there though is that schools like Florida State and Virginia Tech would also rank in the bottom half of SEC attendance, in Va Tech's case almost as far toward the bottom as Mizzou.
Attendance-wise other than A&M there just were not many realistic candidates out there that would have beefed up the SEC attendance numbers in any more meaningful way than Mizzou would. MU can reasonably set a goal of catching Florida State's 70,000 average mark within the next decade (as I mention above MU attendance in 2008 and 2009 was just under 65k so we've already gotten halfway there before). Between planned stadium expansion and influx of SEC visitors/more exciting SEC home games drawing more locals I think our upward attendance trend will be fine.
I'd be really interested too to see how the attendance numbers at South Carolina and Arkansas *prior* to them joining the SEC compare to what they are now. I'd bet that may be a good barometer of what to expect with Mizzou moving forward.
Attendance-wise other than A&M there just were not many realistic candidates out there that would have beefed up the SEC attendance numbers in any more meaningful way than Mizzou would. MU can reasonably set a goal of catching Florida State's 70,000 average mark within the next decade (as I mention above MU attendance in 2008 and 2009 was just under 65k so we've already gotten halfway there before). Between planned stadium expansion and influx of SEC visitors/more exciting SEC home games drawing more locals I think our upward attendance trend will be fine.
I'd be really interested too to see how the attendance numbers at South Carolina and Arkansas *prior* to them joining the SEC compare to what they are now. I'd bet that may be a good barometer of what to expect with Mizzou moving forward.
This post was edited on 4/19/12 at 2:41 pm
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