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re: Will Lyles sought 80K for Patrick Peterson
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:15 am to CFBFAN1121
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:15 am to CFBFAN1121
Patrick's dad sounds as surprised and mad at the thought of Lyles making money off of his son as Seastrunk's mom did:
The brutal honesty I get from reading these parent's comments leads me to believe the kids' families knew nothing of the alleged payments.
Lyles must really be a snake. Was he enough of a snake to actually talk the kids into going to one school or another without offering any money to them?
Did he tell all of the schools the same story about another school being willing to pay the money just to get a school to pay the money?
Did the schools actually pay the money?
If the parents didn't know Lyles was asking for it, was Lyles sitting there with his fingers crossed hoping a school might pay him?
Should Seastrunk be hurt that Lyles only asked $20,000 for him?
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"This is my first time hearing this. This is a shocker," Peterson Sr. told ESPN. "It could have happened. It could have come out of [Lyles'] mouth, that's what happens. These guys try to make money on their own, they are kind of like escort services. That's what I call them, escort services."
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The NCAA and football teams aren't the only ones with a stake in how this is handled. Consider the families, too. Seastrunk's mother, for one, is miffed. "Willie said he was a trainer," Evelyn Seastrunk told ESPN.com. "Now Oregon says he's a scout? Is he on Oregon's payroll? If Willie Lyles collected $25,000 off my son he needs to be held accountable. The NCAA must find out for me. I don't know how to digest someone cashing in on my son."
The brutal honesty I get from reading these parent's comments leads me to believe the kids' families knew nothing of the alleged payments.
Lyles must really be a snake. Was he enough of a snake to actually talk the kids into going to one school or another without offering any money to them?
Did he tell all of the schools the same story about another school being willing to pay the money just to get a school to pay the money?
Did the schools actually pay the money?
If the parents didn't know Lyles was asking for it, was Lyles sitting there with his fingers crossed hoping a school might pay him?
Should Seastrunk be hurt that Lyles only asked $20,000 for him?
This post was edited on 3/31/11 at 11:18 am
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Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:18 am to chinese58
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Was he enough of a snake to actually talk the kids into going to one school or another?
This is the big question for me. How in the world would PP ever go to a school like MSU without being paid. UF wanted him, he chose LSU. How could Lyles ever get him to go to a place like MSU. There has to be some sort of revenue sharing plan in place doesn't there???
Not bashing MSU just using them as an example. Insert any other 2nd tier program if you wish.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:19 am to Luke
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couldn't happen to a better group of finger pointing morons! pay back is gonna be hell for LSU
Payback for what exactly, the comments made by unknown people on a message board?
you can stop neglecting the fact that the HBO special pretty much started another shite storm for Auburn with the NCAA whenever youre ready.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:21 am to Choctaw
Take it from an Auburn fan. We said the same thing when all this started...six months ago with an ESPN blurb.
Here we are all this time later and there are still a string of hack journalists trying to play every angle to expose dirt.
LSU getting busted would be a huge story. Patrick Petersen - a top 5 draft pick - getting exposed would be a huge story. Don't think otherwise.
I'm not saying anything improper happened but you're a naive fool if you think everyone is just going to yawn and look the other way after this Tx A+M coach blew the whistle. If nothing else you can at least expect a few months of muckraking by Thayer Evans and Sports by Brooks.
Welcome to Auburn's world. Keep you arms inside the car, restore your tray table to it's upright position and enjoy the ride.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:22 am to roadGator
PP7 didn't have the grades for UF or UM. His final 3 were UF, UM, or LSU. Which is why I hold my ground in there not being p4p with Peterson. In the end, his only choice out of his top 3 was LSU.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:22 am to AUFANATL
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I'm not saying anything improper happened but you're a naive fool if you think everyone is just going to yawn and look the other way after this Tx A+M coach blew the whistle. If nothing else you can at least expect a few months of muckraking by Thayer Evans and Sports by Brooks.
Welcome to Auburn's world. Keep you arms inside the car, restore your tray table to it's upright position and enjoy the ride.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:23 am to AUFANATL
Because Thayer Evan and SBB are great at what they do. 
It's almost best to just dismiss everything they say.
It's almost best to just dismiss everything they say.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:27 am to AUFANATL
quote:Not sure I agree. The AU stuff came out in the middle of a football season while they where moving up the charts and centered around a heisman trophy front runner.
I'm not saying anything improper happened but you're a naive fool if you think everyone is just going to yawn and look the other way after this Tx A+M coach blew the whistle. If nothing else you can at least expect a few months of muckraking by Thayer Evans and Sports by Brooks.
It's not football season and PP7 is gone. The story isn't going to move the meter or get the same number of clicks as the Cam story, so it might not get nearly as much attention from "journalists".
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:29 am to gatordmb89
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PP7 didn't have the grades for UF or UM. His final 3 were UF, UM, or LSU. Which is why I hold my ground in there not being p4p with Peterson. In the end, his only choice out of his top 3 was LSU.
That wasn't my point. Let's say his street agent talked him into going to a tier B team for $80k. For a talent like PP, doesn't he have to take a cut of that to make the sacrifice of playing for the tier B team???
I don't think anyone could talk him into playing for the tier B team when there were Tier A teams after him.
I just think for that to happen the kid (any good player not just PP) would have to be cut in.
Lyles: Play for tier B team
kid: hell no, I have offers from Tier A teams
Lyles: I'll give you $40k
kid: oh, OK
Wouldn't that have to be the scenario.
I'm only talking about tier B vs. tier A and not about A&M or LSU paying or not paying PP. Don't want to go there.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:29 am to WDE24
from another site:
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I HEARD THE GUY WHO OWNS THE STATE FAIR CORN DOG COMPANY HAS BEEN CAUGHT ON RECORD TALKING ABOUT THAT 80K WITH BOOSTERS. THREE WEEKS, FBI, JUST YOU WAIT! TAPES TO FOLLOW!!!
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:36 am to Luke
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Aggie is used to getting screwed over while trying to cheat.
1980's called. it said every SWC D1 school was clean as a whistle.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:37 am to AUFANATL
I am not too worried at this point. Any time the NCAA starts looking into your school there is always cause to be nervous, but in the past the worst punishment we've gotten was a slap on the wrist. Even if the uncorroborated allegations about Lyles and A&M are true, this still doesn't necessarily implicate PP and LSU as Lyles could have been offering his ability to influence PP's decision rather than offering direct payment to PP. The $6k payment for recruiting services doesn't really worry me at all. These people could put together a package of videos along with their personal reviews (and while Lyles may be a scumbag his livelihood relies on being able to evaluate talent) and may even include their take on players' mindsets (what school they will likely end up up). I can see where lots of schools would be willing to drop $6k on something like that, especially if your competitors are doing the same.
That being said, if they do find proof that LSU was complicit in PFP, we should pay the price for our stupidity just to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Comparing PP and Cam at this point is pretty silly. While it's true that "where there's smoke there's fire", the smoke from PP right now looks like it could be from a cigarette while the smoke from Cam is like... well, like the plains are burning.
And this^ is all very premature. The NCAA hasn't completed their investigation nor released their findings. The findings released in 2010 were based on the facts as presented by Auburn. They've yet to say that this case is closed. I still think Auburn is going to get kicked in the teeth.
That being said, if they do find proof that LSU was complicit in PFP, we should pay the price for our stupidity just to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Comparing PP and Cam at this point is pretty silly. While it's true that "where there's smoke there's fire", the smoke from PP right now looks like it could be from a cigarette while the smoke from Cam is like... well, like the plains are burning.
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That's where the Cam investigation fell apart. The NCAA dug into all the financial records. They looked at everything - the entire Newton family bank accounts, the church, payments on their run down house, everything Cam did and had at Auburn - everything. They couldn't find any evidence of unexplained money. If somebody gave Cecil a bunch of money (and nobody disputes that he asked for it), it was in cash and he buried it somewhere safe and didn't spend any of it. What's the NCAA supposed to do, grab shovels and start digging holes in his back yard?
And this^ is all very premature. The NCAA hasn't completed their investigation nor released their findings. The findings released in 2010 were based on the facts as presented by Auburn. They've yet to say that this case is closed. I still think Auburn is going to get kicked in the teeth.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:41 am to roadGator
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This is the big question for me. How in the world would PP ever go to a school like MSU without being paid. UF wanted him, he chose LSU. How could Lyles ever get him to go to a place like MSU. There has to be some sort of revenue sharing plan in place doesn't there???
It could be a scam.
Lyles tries to get money out of a school or booster by promising to deliver a kid (without the kid knowing anything). If he takes the money and fails to deliver the kid, who is going to complain? The school that got scammed isn't going to say anything and risk going on probation. If the player finds out he isn't going to complain and risk his amatuer status or risk having the NCAA dig around whatever program he would up at.
Also, it's not a crime to do what Lyles is alleged to have done. You can ask people to give you money for anything as long as its not drugs or sex. It's called capitalism.
It's well known lore that Clemson gave Herschel Walker a brand new Trans Am and he then drove the car around Athens when he was at UGA. What's Clemson going to do, call up the NCAA and rat themselves out hoping they get the car back?
Lyles probably just saw an opportunity to make a pile of cash without much risk. It's the same principle with people who rob drug dealers. They know those guys aren't going to call the cops.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:41 am to roadGator
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I just think for that to happen the kid (any good player not just PP) would have to be cut in.
Perhaps, but cutting a player in would likely be the last resort. He would try to talk him into it first. So, even if Lyles broached the topic we still don't know that it was ever brought up to PP.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:47 am to gatordmb89
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PP7 didn't have the grades for UF or UM. His final 3 were UF, UM, or LSU. Which is why I hold my ground in there not being p4p with Peterson. In the end, his only choice out of his top 3 was LSU.
This and LSU winning a NC right before PP coming to LSU are probably the best clean explanations
But certainly the allegation is very concerning. This guy (Lyles) now looks like a bag man... or at the very least a want to be bag man
And this is a major issue for schools recruiting major star athletes... a lot of them come with "handlers" or advisors who are probably closer to being agents. they are probably 95% motivated by making money for themselves and they can make more money in teh short run asking for a payout than they can being paid to scout and provide game tapes
There can be gray area where you have to pay a guy to scout an area you don't otherwise have the connections to cover. But when a story like this breaks you are very vulnerable to at least looking like you are buying kids via their agent
at a minimum IMO LSU (among others - but LSU is the school of interest mentioned here) needs to disassociate themselves from paying individuals for the game tape etc and stick with paying the more established recruiting services
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:53 am to chinese58
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Lyles must really be a snake. Was he enough of a snake to actually talk the kids into going to one school or another without offering any money to them?
This is perfectly legit under the new NCAA Cecil Rule.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 11:56 am to bamascott2
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Lyles must really be a snake. Was he enough of a snake to actually talk the kids into going to one school or another without offering any money to them?
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This is perfectly legit under the new NCAA Cecil Rule.
Uh... no. If a school actually paid Lyles to use his influence to convince a kid to go to that school, then Lyles would become essentially a representative of the school, making his contact with the player illegal cotact with a recruit.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:01 pm to AUFANATL
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Also, it's not a crime to do what Lyles is alleged to have done. You can ask people to give you money for anything as long as its not drugs or sex. It's called capitalism.
If the kids and their parents did not know he was asking for money he might be guilty of some type of misreprsentation.
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t's well known lore ? that Clemson gave Herschel Walker a brand new Trans Am and he then drove the car around Athens when he was at UGA. What's Clemson going to do, call up the NCAA and rat themselves out hoping they get the car back?
There is no proof and plenty of questions about Lyles' players knowing nothing about these payments.
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It's the same principle with people who rob drug dealers. They know those guys aren't going to call the cops.
Yes they do!:
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An Austin man remains in jail after being arrested on an aggravated robbery charge in Cedar Park last week, after the drug dealer he allegedly stole marijuana from at gunpoint called 911.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:03 pm to chilld28
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He didnt know that the money was solicited
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Big difference in some unknown trainer supposedly making unauthorized solicitation for Peterson and Cecil Newton soliciting for his son's services. The difference: one is not the agent of the student athlete while Cecil Newton is clearly his son's agent unless his son took legal steps to sever the relationship which obviously he didn't. Moral of the story: if you are a talented student athlete, you better be damn sure who is representing you and that they are not doing anything that might jeopardize your future.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:06 pm to DocBugbear
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Perhaps, but cutting a player in would likely be the last resort. He would try to talk him into it first. So, even if Lyles broached the topic we still don't know that it was ever brought up to PP.
Wasn't really trying to call out PP or LSU. I'm just wondering about what happens when any great talent goes to tier B when he would have been a star at Tier A. I think money changes hands in multiple places if that happens.
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