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re: Why would Gus take a job like Vandy?
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:53 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:53 am to Robot Santa
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Please explain. Just the coaching, recruiting, and PR (TV and radio appearances/press conferences) aspects of running a college program require a ton of work and cause all kinds of stress. I don't see how even a workaholic like Saban could basically take on the responsibilities of being his own Athletics Director in addition to that.
Vandy is not Florida, LSU, etc and never will be. Again, it depends on the coach they hire. If the support is there then that is all that is needed. If it is not working at Vandy then why has their Basketball and Baseball coaches stuck around enjoying the success they have???
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Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:54 am to I-59 Tiger
Vandy is not comparable to Stanford or Northwestern. Both Stanford (especially) and Northwestern have great football history and are football schools. Vandy isn't. Stanford in a state FULL of football talent. Vandy isn't.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:54 am to busey
Money money money. Besides who wants to be around when the NCAA is ready to bitch slap Auburn.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:13 am to busey
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Northwestern have great football history
Really ?
Please explain.Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:20 am to I-59 Tiger
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Really ? Please explain.
I shouldn't have said great, but they have more than Vandy, and as much as they suck they've always been a "football school". Plus, you can't ignore demographics...
This post was edited on 12/13/10 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:21 am to rangers911
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Vandy has agreed to lower it on a per athlete basis, set up some sort of panel to handle this.
WOW - THAT is huge then! This alone makes the Vandy job more desireable - if Vandy is willing to pay the big bucks, go after a coach like Gus, make improvements to facilities AND lower the academic standards; then they are making a huge commitment to football. Gus would be a fool not to take the job, IMO.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:22 am to RT1941
It has always been lower for athletes FWIW.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:23 am to LSUdm21
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If Vandy is willing to throw around $3 million I'd think their expectations would go up. Just doesn't seem like the type of job someone like him would be interested in.
there are a ton of reasons to take that job. it's his first gig and i think it's a damn good way to jump in that arena. a 5-6 season is reason to celebrate in nashville. a 6-5 season and the hc becomes a diety and other progrms take notice and try to steal him away. plus, 3 million is lots of money and nashville, in my opinion is the BEST sec town to live in and by a huge margin. if he is a succes at vandy, he may fall in love with that city and never leave. personaly, if the report is accurate (where he has the offer), he'd be a fool to reject it and stay at au making significant less money and possibly (probably imo) being on the street next year.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:25 am to busey
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It has always been lower for athletes FWIW
Obviously not low enough to get the studs/starz though. Maybe their willing to tweek the standards a little more in order to compete with the rest of the SEC.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:27 am to RT1941
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Obviously not low enough to get the studs/starz though. Maybe their willing to tweek the standards a little more in order to compete with the rest of the SEC.
I know this because I have a buddy that is on the team there. 24 is the absolute lowest ACT score you can have now. Needless to say, they won't be getting any studz.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:31 am to RT1941
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make improvements to facilities AND lower the academic standards; then they are making a huge commitment to football
as far as lowering the academic standards for athletes, that's not really the biggest issue. the issue is the degree programs available to jocks. they don't have typical athlete degree programs; that is education, criminal justice, PE, general studies, etc, etc. they used to have the Peabody school of education but have severed their ties with that (or dissolved it, etc) and there has been a big push to reopen it with "less strenuous" degree programs. the school is split; supporters vs hi-brow professor types that disdain athletics. it's been a power struggle there for decades. them offering a HC real money may be a sign that they are willing to change SOME. if they change their degree programs, they can still keep their lofty entrance requirements and academic standards while greatly enlarging their base of quality athletes. it's not black and white; not all of vandy's jocks are geniuses, believe you me. they can do what stanford does if they give the athletes a less demanding curriculum.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:34 am to LSU GrandDad
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as far as lowering the academic standards for athletes, that's not really the biggest issue. the issue is the degree programs available to jocks. they don't have typical athlete degree programs; that is education, criminal justice, PE, general studies, etc, etc. they used to have the Peabody school of education but have severed their ties with that (or dissolved it, etc) and there has been a big push to reopen it with "less strenuous" degree programs. the school is split; supporters vs hi-brow professor types that disdain athletics. it's been a power struggle there for decades. them offering a HC real money may be a sign that they are willing to change SOME. if they change their degree programs, they can still keep their lofty entrance requirements and academic standards while greatly enlarging their base of quality athletes. it's not black and white; not all of vandy's jocks are geniuses, believe you me. they can do what stanford does if they give the athletes a less demanding curriculum
Thanks for the clarification - makes perfect sense now.Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:34 am to LSU GrandDad
Exactly.
24 on the ACT isn't that easy, but it's not that hard, either. Still, you have to be a pretty smart kid to get a 24. Nothing special, just decently smart. The real problem arises that you have to be more than "decently smart" to get decent grades at Vandy. We all know other programs have "tutors", but Vandy only has tutors (no quotes, for obvious reasons).
24 on the ACT isn't that easy, but it's not that hard, either. Still, you have to be a pretty smart kid to get a 24. Nothing special, just decently smart. The real problem arises that you have to be more than "decently smart" to get decent grades at Vandy. We all know other programs have "tutors", but Vandy only has tutors (no quotes, for obvious reasons).
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:36 am to busey
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has always been lower for athletes FWIW
you are absolutely right. i hate to tell ya'll that vandy does not reveal their entrance requirements. it's really that simple. no one knows what they are. one athlete may get in with an ACT under 24 and another one may not. they use the catch all phase "expected to earn a degree at vanderbuilt university" where a panel decides on offering a scolarship or not. that phrase will, and has, been the reason some (hell, probably many) very good sec calibur athletes are not offered a schollie at vandy. it is subjective as hell. example; if they think a guy is going to leave early and go pro, they are axed.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:43 am to LSU GrandDad
Why would Malzahn take it?
The two biggest reasons to me is:
1. $2mm+. This is really self explanitory. He is only a couple of yrs removed from making $100k.
2. If he stays at AU next year his stock will fall and there is nothing he can do to stop it.
No Heisman Winner on the sidelines and he's loosing the entire offensive line.
The two biggest reasons to me is:
1. $2mm+. This is really self explanitory. He is only a couple of yrs removed from making $100k.
2. If he stays at AU next year his stock will fall and there is nothing he can do to stop it.
No Heisman Winner on the sidelines and he's loosing the entire offensive line.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:44 am to bbvdd
He did it for the nookie.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:44 am to LSU GrandDad
I'll say this, if he does take the job, something is going down at Auburn. No way does he take the job just for the money. Money isn't everything to a coach.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:46 am to bbvdd
quote:This line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. If he can keep the offense competitive next year, think 2009 AU offense, it will only increase his stock since he did it with a new QB (not Cam) and new o-line. If his O will not work with AU's talent next year, it sure as hell ain't going to work at Vandy.
2. If he stays at AU next year his stock will fall and there is nothing he can do to stop it.
This post was edited on 12/13/10 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/13/10 at 9:48 am to WDE24
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If his O will not work with AU's talent next year, it sure as hell ain't going to work at Vandy
Yea, but if Vandy goes 5-6 he'll be the greatest coach to ever live in the eyes of Vandy fans.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 10:10 am to TenTex
quote:Good points all around. I haven't been to Nashville in many years, but unless it's changed significantly for the worse, I agree 100% with your assessment.
TenTex
In addition to that, Gustav is a very cerebral guy, and like I said when VU let Caldwell go, it would be an excellent fit for him. He won't get the stud skill guys there, but at the same time he won't have to deal with the dumbasses who scored 14 on their ACTs either (funny how those traits tend to go hand-in-hand).
Everyone talks like Vandy's a graveyard for HCs, but Malzahn would be a departure for them: a young guy with plenty of upside and an excellent reputation on and off the field. Worst case scenario for him, he fails as an HC and gets canned after 4 or 5 years, and some other big school who needs an OC snatches him up. And he still has $10+ million sitting in his bank account.
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