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re: Why is it that Texas A&M’s struggles annually begin in October?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:23 pm to Sean Bean
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:23 pm to Sean Bean
Now filter them by team. Give me the top 10 most common opponents.
I did a quick scan of non p5 teams. I see maybe 10 or fewer. Even though its many fewer games, tell me how many we played in Aug-Sept? A lot more than 10.
I did a quick scan of non p5 teams. I see maybe 10 or fewer. Even though its many fewer games, tell me how many we played in Aug-Sept? A lot more than 10.
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:25 pm to Sean Bean
From 2000-2009 or so, A&M had one of the worst periods in our history for football. The records for the Big 12 era are pretty straight forward. Played non-conf cupcakes early in the year, then hit the conference schedule.
It is more nuanced for the SEC era as non-conf games can be sprinkled throughout the season. Sumlin's teams tended to start the seasons on fire and then in October just plain run out of gas. Probably a combination of coaching, depth and strength/conditioning program.
Contrast it to one of our best eras in the mid 80s. Jackie Sherrill had a habit of losing the first game of the season and the first conference game as well. However, you we were pretty good in October-January.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Fisher.
It is more nuanced for the SEC era as non-conf games can be sprinkled throughout the season. Sumlin's teams tended to start the seasons on fire and then in October just plain run out of gas. Probably a combination of coaching, depth and strength/conditioning program.
Contrast it to one of our best eras in the mid 80s. Jackie Sherrill had a habit of losing the first game of the season and the first conference game as well. However, you we were pretty good in October-January.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Fisher.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:28 pm to cjohn
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It will be interesting to see what happens with Fisher.
Nope sorry. It'll just be more of the same. All past results work perfectly for future forecasts.
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Keep in mind, this spans 4 different head coaches. There’s history here that tells me Jimbo isn’t exactly immune to what seems like an inevitability.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:33 pm to Sean Bean
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Why is it that Texas A&M’s struggles annually begin in October?
Oil money and an extremely inflated perception of relevance can only take a team so far.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:02 pm to Farmer1906
Here's a breakdown of everything and where A&M ranks among current SEC schools for each:
Note: I included the Big East as a P5 because they were a BCS conference. There's time for that debate elsewhere. Not in the mood to include the FCS/D1-AA schools in the SEC rankings.
Record vs P5 in Aug-Sept
16-12 | 6th in the SEC
Record vs Non-P5 FBS/D1-A in Aug-Sept
32-3 | 8th in the SEC
Record vs P5 in Oct-Jan
63-81 | 10th in the SEC
Record vs Non-P5 FBS/D1-A in Oct-Jan
7-0 | Tied for 1st in the SEC
Side note: A&M is 12-0 vs FCS/D1-AA
Here is every SEC school's record against a P5 opponent in Oct-Jan since 2000
1 LSU (94-41)
2 Alabama (93-41)
3 Georgia (102-47)
4 Florida (83-59)
5 Auburn (74-56)
6 Tennessee (71-66)
7 Missouri (76-73)
8 South Carolina (65-65)
9 Arkansas (63-68)
10 Texas A&M (63-81)
11 Ole Miss(51-72)
12 Mississippi St (46-71)
13 Vanderbilt (32-91)
14 Kentucky (32-96)
Ouch. That's tough.
Note: I included the Big East as a P5 because they were a BCS conference. There's time for that debate elsewhere. Not in the mood to include the FCS/D1-AA schools in the SEC rankings.
Record vs P5 in Aug-Sept
16-12 | 6th in the SEC
Record vs Non-P5 FBS/D1-A in Aug-Sept
32-3 | 8th in the SEC
Record vs P5 in Oct-Jan
63-81 | 10th in the SEC
Record vs Non-P5 FBS/D1-A in Oct-Jan
7-0 | Tied for 1st in the SEC
Side note: A&M is 12-0 vs FCS/D1-AA
Here is every SEC school's record against a P5 opponent in Oct-Jan since 2000
1 LSU (94-41)
2 Alabama (93-41)
3 Georgia (102-47)
4 Florida (83-59)
5 Auburn (74-56)
6 Tennessee (71-66)
7 Missouri (76-73)
8 South Carolina (65-65)
9 Arkansas (63-68)
10 Texas A&M (63-81)
11 Ole Miss(51-72)
12 Mississippi St (46-71)
13 Vanderbilt (32-91)
14 Kentucky (32-96)
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Nope sorry. It'll just be more of the same. All past results work perfectly for future forecasts.
Ouch. That's tough.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:07 pm to Sean Bean
I would be interested to see our most common opponents in that time period. Texas will be in there for sure and I’m pretty certain OU as well as that game was always early November
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I would be interested to see our most common opponents in that time period. Texas will be in there for sure and I’m pretty certain OU as well as that game was always early November
Oklahoma 13
Texas 12
Baylor 11
Texas Tech 10
Missouri 9
Oklahoma State 9
Kansas St 8
Iowa St 7
LSU 7
Mississippi St 7
Colorado 6
Kansas 6
Ole Miss 6
Alabama 5
Auburn 5
Nebraska 5
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:14 pm to Sean Bean
Poor aggy had a 3-9 record against daddy TEXAS and still cling to those 3 wins like a dingleberry on Col Aggy's fanny.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:16 pm to Sean Bean
More good info and it just proves my point.
Aug-Sept Win % w/out non P5
57.1%
Oct-Jan Win % w/out non P5
43.8%
Much much closer.
I'm willing to bet if you pull SOS it'll further make my point.
Now there are other factors involved besides competition, but that is the overriding one.
Aug-Sept Win % w/out non P5
57.1%
Oct-Jan Win % w/out non P5
43.8%
Much much closer.
I'm willing to bet if you pull SOS it'll further make my point.
Now there are other factors involved besides competition, but that is the overriding one.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:33 pm to Farmer1906
It's a sliding scale if we start looking at SOS though. The competition ramps up for everyone when October rolls around. Think outside of A&M.
UGA has played 149 games against P5 conference teams with a record of 102-47. Florida is 83-59. Tennessee is 71-66 even with their automatic loss to Bama on there.
UGA has played 149 games against P5 conference teams with a record of 102-47. Florida is 83-59. Tennessee is 71-66 even with their automatic loss to Bama on there.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:43 pm to Sean Bean
Halloween is in October. The ghouls and goblins come out in Texas and haunt college station. Either that or they get a start on their Christmas shopping
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:53 pm to Farmer1906
We are starting to get crazy with the qualifiers but here are the records for each SEC school in the months of Oct, Nov, Dec, and Jan in games against teams that finished the year with a winning record.
Record against teams that finished with 7+ wins (Oct-Jan) - Since 2000
1 LSU (67-41)
2 Alabama (67-42)
3 Georgia (61-45)
4 Florida (57-58)
5 Auburn (48-55)
6 Arkansas (37-65)
7 Tennessee (33-60)
8 Ole Miss(33-61)
9 Missouri (34-63)
10 South Carolina (31-59)
11 Texas A&M (33-72)
12 Mississippi St (28-62)
13 Kentucky (12-72)
14 Vanderbilt (10-75)
Record against teams that finished with 7+ wins (Oct-Jan) - Since 2000
1 LSU (67-41)
2 Alabama (67-42)
3 Georgia (61-45)
4 Florida (57-58)
5 Auburn (48-55)
6 Arkansas (37-65)
7 Tennessee (33-60)
8 Ole Miss(33-61)
9 Missouri (34-63)
10 South Carolina (31-59)
11 Texas A&M (33-72)
12 Mississippi St (28-62)
13 Kentucky (12-72)
14 Vanderbilt (10-75)
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:11 pm to chitiger91
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I ask all the time to no avail, what qualifies A&M as LSUs “daddy”???
A&M beat LSU so thoroughly and repeatedly, they pulled the most chicken shite move in the history of college football because the head coach and athletic director both believed they couldn't build a winning program starting 0-1 every year. LSU fans agreed with this sentiment and heralded the move to run away so they could play easier OOC opponents to pad their record. They literally believed that if they kept playing A&M every year, they would never win, and it was undermining their entire success as a program.
They said it was because of the lack of home games so what did they do? They cut the contract out so they could begin an out of conference gauntlet of San Jose State, North Texas, and Houston... then Western Carolina, Houston and UAB... then Tulane, Utah State, and Middle Tennessee...
That's why we are your daddy. Because we made you accept you're a low rate program that needed to act like one in order to bolster yourself. Unfortunately, you fell arse backwards in to Saban, and rode that momentum for so long you forgot who you were. Without Saban recruits you're essentially a less successful version of Ole Miss. Thank God for Orgeron returning LSU to its rightful place in the pecking order. It's long overdue.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:13 pm to Sean Bean
And how do their records in Aug-Sep compare to A&M's?
You're looking at a window that includes a very bad time for A&M. Of course, it's going to be lower than schools that are good.
If you want to do it that way then you'll need to do it more of a ratio. Aug-Sep to Ovt-Jan.
Obviously, this is probably much more than you've ever anticipated, but if you trying to actually get an answer you have to dive deeper than your OP. If you wanted to troll A&M then good job.
You're looking at a window that includes a very bad time for A&M. Of course, it's going to be lower than schools that are good.
If you want to do it that way then you'll need to do it more of a ratio. Aug-Sep to Ovt-Jan.
Obviously, this is probably much more than you've ever anticipated, but if you trying to actually get an answer you have to dive deeper than your OP. If you wanted to troll A&M then good job.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:14 pm to Sean Bean
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Since 2000
LSU fans.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:27 pm to Farmer1906
I don’t know how much deeper you want me to dive. I’ve presented a ton of data that backs up the OP’s initial angle: A&M has struggled more so than most other SEC schools when the schedule gets tougher.
You are free to present your own numbers in an attempt to prove otherwise. I’m not going to do that work for you though.
Also I touched on this in the OP, I believe.
You are free to present your own numbers in an attempt to prove otherwise. I’m not going to do that work for you though.
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And how do their records in Aug-Sep compare to A&M's
Also I touched on this in the OP, I believe.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:33 pm to Sean Bean
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Why is it that Texas A&M’s struggles annually begin in October?
They usually play lesser teams before then?
and then inexplicably ...
They usually play a better team then?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:39 pm to ColoBama
Great analysis.
So now, why are they one of the worst in the conference at beating teams when the schedule gets tougher in these months.
Did you get to the part in the OP comparing them to other SEC schools and the subsequent posts I’ve made in the thread? Or nah?
So now, why are they one of the worst in the conference at beating teams when the schedule gets tougher in these months.
Did you get to the part in the OP comparing them to other SEC schools and the subsequent posts I’ve made in the thread? Or nah?
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:43 pm to Sean Bean
Wtf is up with the Aggies and LSU? You guys have something to tell us? Why is LSU your superbowl?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:45 pm to TeLeFaWx
The fact that Aggie relates an LSU loss to Bama as a reason to call themselves daddy always cracks me up. They continue to provide their own material.
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