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re: Why eliminating FCS games is easier said than done.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I honestly don't get the uproar over "FCS" games.
They suck for the fans. They are filler only serving the purpose os filling a home game date and fleecing the tickerholders.
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Look at Sagarin rankings - above average FCS teams from good leagues are generally in the same stratosphere as middling and bad teams from the Sun Belt, Mountain West, MAC and CUSA.
These games suck too. If they are good games or you get beat, they are highly embarrassing. Only a few of these teams carry the weight to create fan excitement. It’s understandable to schedule maybe 1 of these games every season against the best G5 team that will
schedule you.
Im not fussing at you SummerOfGeorge. There are rational arguments on both sides(not saying you are on either side).
CFB is suffering for many reasons. Nationwide popularity is down. Pageantry and tradition was sold off for a cheap buck years ago. Too many people saw a cash cow and wanted their hand in the cookie jar. Its why home games can give yiu seizures from all flashy ads. Its why campuses squeez off places to park and tailgate while charging big bucks for a parking and tailgate pass. Its why ticket prices are sky high and attendance is low.
One of the cool things about cfb was different areas of the country experiencing good natured competition with fans from other parts of the country. Now on the one occasion Bama plays an OOC team with an actual fanbase, its in Dallas or Atlanta.
The sad fact is that schools dont wanna give up their cheap payday home game. Someones gotta pay for those glorified secretaries in the AD making 6 figures.
One of the ways to renew interest in the sport is to eliminate the 12th game, bump up conference schedules to minimum of 9 and play 2 home and home P5 opponents.
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:30 pm to bamafan1001
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They suck for the fans. They are filler only serving the purpose os filling a home game date and fleecing the tickerholders.
Sure, but no differently than games against bad FBS teams
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These games suck too
I know, which I said
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Im not fussing at you SummerOfGeorge. There are rational arguments on both sides(not saying you are on either side).
My argument had nothing to do with whether they should play games against bad teams or not (I wish we'd play less of them and more P5 teams so I don't pawn off half my season tickets). My point was that it's silly to act like FCS teams are somehow all that much different than bad FBS teams. That was all.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:36 pm to ibldprplgld
I have no problem playing 2 of the FCS schools a year considering when the paycheck we send out helps fund their volleyball or soccer teams for the year. We play Georgia Tech every year, add another OOC team from the P5 schools. Bring in teams like UCLA, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Oklahoma State, Pittsburgh or Wake Forest that would be great for season ticket holders. I would love to see Georgia play one of the service schools once every 5 years on Veteran's Day weekend. There is no need to play 3 teams that are in reality a bye week.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:36 pm to meansonny
Only the fans want to play a contender every week. 95% of the people on this site never played a down of college or high school football. Having a week off against a lesser team isn't a bad thing at all. I agree that having Citadel is not great. Paying to get those teams to come to your field without a return game is tricky.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:40 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
I'm seeing a lot of pissed off Bama fans about scheduling.
I'm a "local control" guy.
Get pissed at your AD.
I hate seeing people's knee jerk reaction to a perceived problem as a need to change a rule or change a law.
Take some ownership and make your own damn life better.
Quit trying to demand how UGA should spend our Saturdays.
(This isn't directed at you, but a response to your comment and a lot of the recent Bama comments).
I'm a "local control" guy.
Get pissed at your AD.
I hate seeing people's knee jerk reaction to a perceived problem as a need to change a rule or change a law.
Take some ownership and make your own damn life better.
Quit trying to demand how UGA should spend our Saturdays.
(This isn't directed at you, but a response to your comment and a lot of the recent Bama comments).
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:11 pm to BamaGradinTn
If you have College Football set up like the English Premier League, where the Group of 5 conferences are paired up with the Power 5 conferences and you could both move up from G5 and get relegated down from P5 it might go towards eliminating FCS games.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:12 pm to bamafan1001
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One of the ways to renew interest in the sport is to eliminate the 12th game, bump up conference schedules to minimum of 9 and play 2 home and home P5 opponents.
Requiring 7 wins for bowl eligibility would help too.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:19 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If you have College Football set up like the English Premier League, where the Group of 5 conferences are paired up with the Power 5 conferences and you could both move up from G5 and get relegated down from P5 it might go towards eliminating FCS games.
If you were going to go the English route though you'd have to reach all the way down to junior college teams. Possibly even high school teams. There is something like 7000 soccer teams in the English leagues and conceivably any of them (though at the higher ranks they would need stadium upgrades) could wind up in the English Premier League.
Also, if you think Alabma fans get upset when their team loses now, wait till they have a bad year and get demoted to the Sun Belt. The state of Alabama would turn into a Mad Max wasteland.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:34 pm to ibldprplgld
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You can stick with 8 conference games, and go more of a round robin format with each of the top 7 teams from one year playing each other the following year, and then you fill in the rest according to the previous year's standings. And if under this format you don't have a Bama-Tennessee matchup already with the top 7 (looking at you Tennessee) then you schedule that matchup as one of the two remaining conference games. At the end of the year, the teams with the two best records meet for a conference title game that rotates between 4 host cities.
Why have LSU fans convinced themselves that playing Alabama is somehow good for us? As long as Saban's there we're the only team in our division that starts every season with a likely SEC L. That wouldn't matter but losing to Bama counts the same in our Div as losing to UGA. It puts us at a distinct disadvantage.
Oh and just so you know we scored against them this year. How'd LSU do.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:35 pm to meansonny
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Get pissed at your AD.
We have
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Quit trying to demand how UGA should spend our Saturdays.
Yea I certainly don't care how other teams schedule, nor do I think it should be any sort of mandated law.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:46 pm to Arksulli
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Also, if you think Alabma fans get upset when their team loses now, wait till they have a bad year and get demoted to the Sun Belt. The state of Alabama would turn into a Mad Max wasteland.
The SEC wouldn't be paired with the Sun Belt.
PAC 12 - Mountain West
Big Ten - MAC
ACC - AAC
SEC - CUSA
Big 12 - Sun Belt
Under my proposal you would have to be in last place of your Division 2 straight years AND have a corresponding school in the corresponding conference/division in last place 2 straight years for relegation to take place.
For example, using the 2017 season and the current leaders of the 2018 season:
AAC/Atlantic: Unless Memphis wins the Division this year, they would not be able to cause North Carolina to be relegated down.
MAC/Big Ten: No one eligible to move
Sun Belt/Big 12: Troy would replace Kansas
MWC/PAC 12: Fresno State would replace Colorado
CUSA/SEC: No one eligible to move
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:47 pm to Prof
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Why have LSU fans convinced themselves that playing Alabama is somehow good for us?
I honestly could not care less about the matter, but every time someone brings up the idea of cancelling the cross-division permanents, the rest of the SEC gets lectured on how important the Bama-UT game is.
And for the record, I support your idea that if everything is unchanged, only division records should count towards division standings.
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Oh and just so you know we scored against them this year. How'd LSU do.
And yet you lost by more. Moral victory, I guess?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:55 pm to ibldprplgld
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I honestly could not care less about the matter, but every time someone brings up the idea of cancelling the cross-division permanents, the rest of the SEC gets lectured on how important the Bama-UT game is.
And for the record, I support your idea that if everything is unchanged, only division records should count towards division standings.
TSIO is used as the main excuse but it's not the only game being protected. UGA-Auburn is another big one.
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And yet you lost by more. Moral victory, I guess?
Not really, just a small potshot. As much as you get annoyed by TSIO being brought up, I get annoyed by fans blaming us for it.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:04 pm to Prof
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TSIO is used as the main excuse but it's not the only game being protected. UGA-Auburn is another big one.
My point was if those schools want to keep those games, they should be allowed to do so, but if schools don't want the permanents, they should be allowed to have two rotating teams. Why should Bama get a vote as to whether UF/LSU continue to play every year, and why should LSU get a vote as to whether UGA/AU play?
I guess the question becomes what happens when Bama wants to keep it, and UT wants to do away with it? But the reality is, once UT gets its act together, under what I proposed, UT would play Bama every year anyway, as would UGA, AU, LSU, and UF likely.
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Not really, just a small potshot. As much as you get annoyed by TSIO being brought up, I get annoyed by fans blaming us for it.
Fair enough. I generally think the perms should go away and we should go to a seeded schedule as I outlined above, but to each his own.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:11 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Some things would never happen in million years, and relegation is one of them. Do you actually think the Tennessee Vols, for example, would agree to a system where they could have been stuck in the Sun Belt? Seriously? And take the massive financial hit to their program? It would literally destroy any SEC team's program...far worse than the worst NCAA probation.
You really didn't think that through.
Another thing that will never happen is cutting back to 11 games. Again, it would cost schools millions of dollars and is pointless to even mention.
As a season ticket holder, the FCS game is like a preseason NFL game that season ticket holders are forced to buy.
You really didn't think that through.
Another thing that will never happen is cutting back to 11 games. Again, it would cost schools millions of dollars and is pointless to even mention.
As a season ticket holder, the FCS game is like a preseason NFL game that season ticket holders are forced to buy.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:18 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Some things would never happen in million years, and relegation is one of them. Do you actually think the Tennessee Vols, for example, would agree to a system where they could have been stuck in the Sun Belt? Seriously? And take the massive financial hit to their program? It would literally destroy any SEC team's program...far worse than the worst NCAA probation.
Under my proposal, you would have to be in last place 2 years in a row AND a team in the corresponding division would have to be in first place 2 years in a row. The additional caveat would be that a bowl-eligible team would not be relegated under any circumstance.
It would make playing the last place team EXTREMELY DANGEROUS at the end of the year if they risk being relegated.
2018 Arkansas, 2013 Kentucky and 2011 Ole Miss would have been at risk for relegation over the last 10 years but since no CUSA team would have been eligible to replace them, no moves would happen.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:19 pm to GlossuRabban
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Not to mention the paycheck those teams get from us are often what is keeping them afloat.
Then perhaps they shouldnt have football
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:20 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Under my proposal, you would have to be in last place 2 years in a row AND a team in the corresponding division would have to be in first place 2 years in a row. The additional caveat would be that a bowl-eligible team would not be relegated under any circumstance.
Why would a current P5 team ever agree to this?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:21 pm to StopRobot
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Why would a current P5 team ever agree to this?
They wouldn't. Conferences might during the upcoming realignment.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 4:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Conferences might during the upcoming realignment.
Conferences are run by university presidents.
It is like confusing the NFL with an entity other than the NFL Owners.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 4:25 pm
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