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re: Why don’t DB’s look for the ball anymore?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:26 am to I Bleed Garnet
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:26 am to I Bleed Garnet
Being a corner has got to be one of the hardest jobs in football. The receiver knows where he's going, you don't.
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:43 am to Harry Rex Vonner
How is this wrong? I haven't played football since Eisenhower was in the White House, so my knowledge may be rusty. Please enlighten me.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:39 pm to thunderbird1100
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Our DBs do a great job locating the ball
Not hard to find when it's in the hands of an Alabama receiver
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:19 pm to BamaWins15
Saban coaches his DBs to only turn and locate the ball if they are in phase with the receiver, meaning they are even with the receiver. If they are trailing, they are taught to play the receiver. When the receiver goes up for the ball, you put your arm between the receivers arms. It seems to me it's best to be in the trail position when defending the back shoulder. Harder for the offensive player to push off to create separation.
Corner is tough. You have to read the receiver's eyes. When their eyes get big, then you turn and look for the ball. You look too soon and you risk losing track of the receiver. Too late and the ball can go right by you and off goes the receiver.
Corner is tough. You have to read the receiver's eyes. When their eyes get big, then you turn and look for the ball. You look too soon and you risk losing track of the receiver. Too late and the ball can go right by you and off goes the receiver.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:24 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:I agree it works long term. But it seems every game for the last 10 years we have a play or two where if the damn DB would just turn his head around we could force an incompletion. Instead the WR makes a great catch. It's frustrating
Saban has taught faceguarding for nearly two decades now. It is illegal in the nfl because it works. So why not use it since it is legal in college?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:34 pm to genro
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I agree it works long term. But it seems every game for the last 10 years we have a play or two where if the damn DB would just turn his head around we could force an incompletion. Instead the WR makes a great catch. It's frustrating
This when the QB throws it short on purpose.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:51 pm to BamaWins15
If you as a db are in phase with the WR ( step for step, not beat) then you can look for the ball as a good DB you should feel the WR if he makes a move) however if you are out of phse, say the WR gets two steps on you off the line of scrimmage, then you should play the WR and not look for the ball bc it will only slow you down more.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:59 pm to BamaWins15
It depends on where you are on the field, but I think for some DBs and Safety's, its possible to track both the WR and the ball at the same time even if you are running with him. I think the key is you need some peripheral vision of the QB. In some situations that is impossible to do depending on the route and where you are positioned.
I think its a lot harder as a DB to have no idea where the ball is and find the ball in a split second when the WR looks up while also not running into the WR and interfering with him. If the ball is underthrown, you are going to interfere every time. If the ball is well thrown, you are going to lose ground and give up a big play.
The eyes in the back of your head is a skill used a lot in basketball when you full court press. You have eyes on your zone/man behind you in your area, but you are also watching the ball handler.
I think its a lot harder as a DB to have no idea where the ball is and find the ball in a split second when the WR looks up while also not running into the WR and interfering with him. If the ball is underthrown, you are going to interfere every time. If the ball is well thrown, you are going to lose ground and give up a big play.
The eyes in the back of your head is a skill used a lot in basketball when you full court press. You have eyes on your zone/man behind you in your area, but you are also watching the ball handler.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:00 pm to Kilgore Trout
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How is this wrong? I haven't played football since Eisenhower was in the White House, so my knowledge may be rusty. Please enlighten me.
It's just wrong. It's a false statement. Simple as that.
Defensive back drills even involve mirroring this very scenario.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:01 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Saban coaches his DBs to only turn and locate the ball if they are in phase with the receiver, meaning they are even with the receiver. If they are trailing, they are taught to play the receiver.
Exactly
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:11 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Three people in this thread played defensive back 
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:14 pm to BamaWins15
This article gets in the nitty-gritty of NFL defensive backs approach to the deep ball...
Art of Defending the Deep Ball
And Kansas saw a drastic improvement in interceptions after going to what they call a vision and break approach...
Kansas Vision and Break Philosophy
Art of Defending the Deep Ball
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There is a delicate balance for a defensive back trying to determine when exactly to turn, locate the deep ball and momentarily lose sight of the receiver. When in phase, he can glance at a receiver’s eyes, to see when he looks up for the ball. But this can present problems for a corner trying to time his initial contact, because a receiver usually looks up first, and then stretches his hands out. So, watching his hands can be safer.
And Kansas saw a drastic improvement in interceptions after going to what they call a vision and break approach...
Kansas Vision and Break Philosophy
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The new philosophy could explain how the Jayhawks have progressed from four interceptions in all of 2017 to 13 through eight games in 2018.
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Defense said at corner they are now taught to, at times, shift their hips infield. This allows the cornerback to have eyes on the wide receiver and the quarterback at once.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 5:05 pm to CivilTiger83
Look for or back at the ball for a DB is a lost art and more recently noted... not a skill that's needed in the NFL. All you got to do is run them over, no PI... period.
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