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re: Why does LSU think they have more depth?
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:19 am to Grassy1
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:19 am to Grassy1
Ok, let's try and put this one to bed.
LSU
34 players
238 games played total between them, avg of 7.0
584 tackles, average of 16.3 each
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Now among those I may have some who primarily play on LSU's special teams, but since I'm not an LSU guy I don't know who those people are, so I included them all. Also removed obvious offensive players.
Alabama 34 players
237 games played between them, avg of 6.97
465 tackles made total, avg of 13.67
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Removed from the Alabama defensive stats totals are Brandon Gibson, Cade Foster, Brad Smelly, Carson Tinker, Kelly Johnson, Christian Jones, Deandrew White, Phillip Sims, Eddie Lacy and of course Trent Richardson.
Results
Participation - LSU has had 1 player play in 1 more game
Tackles - LSU players are making more tackles per on average. This statistic is due to LSU giving up more plays, more yards, more first downs, more points, committing more penalties, etc.
More however is more.
Thus statistically LSU's depth looks better due to the increased opportunities their defense has given teams. Thus it is arguable that LSU has better depth.
LSU
34 players
238 games played total between them, avg of 7.0
584 tackles, average of 16.3 each
LINK
Now among those I may have some who primarily play on LSU's special teams, but since I'm not an LSU guy I don't know who those people are, so I included them all. Also removed obvious offensive players.
Alabama 34 players
237 games played between them, avg of 6.97
465 tackles made total, avg of 13.67
LINK
Removed from the Alabama defensive stats totals are Brandon Gibson, Cade Foster, Brad Smelly, Carson Tinker, Kelly Johnson, Christian Jones, Deandrew White, Phillip Sims, Eddie Lacy and of course Trent Richardson.
Results
Participation - LSU has had 1 player play in 1 more game
Tackles - LSU players are making more tackles per on average. This statistic is due to LSU giving up more plays, more yards, more first downs, more points, committing more penalties, etc.
More however is more.
Thus statistically LSU's depth looks better due to the increased opportunities their defense has given teams. Thus it is arguable that LSU has better depth.
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Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:20 am to CrimsonChin
Among passes attempted by LSU opponents this season greater than 15 yds, who has caught more of them: The opposing receiver or the LSU defenders?
eta: This has nothing to do with this thread, but I just like the stat
eta: This has nothing to do with this thread, but I just like the stat
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:22 am to Alahunter
28 of them were against Kent State
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:24 am to llfshoals
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Thus statistically LSU's depth looks better due to the increased opportunities their defense has given teams. Thus it is arguable that LSU has better depth.
Nope. We also have given upon more TD. Of course Bama has given opponents more scores prior to the game being decided.
Our depth was cultivated when up by 15, the same on offense. Bama keeps the hammer on, makes short people and Bammers happy.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:24 am to Tide75
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Bama is obviously accomplishing more with less depth since their overall defensive stats are better than LSU's. As I said earlier, our few are clearly better than your many.
It probably never occurred to you that Alabama has only faced 1 offense better than #88 in total offense and no top
20 offenses.
LSU has faced two top 15 offenses including #13 and #5.
Bama has not faced anyone capable of hitting them in the mouth yet this year. That QB hasn't ever played an opponent that will prepare him for what he'll face Saturday. On the other hand, LSU's QBs have both faced top defenses before.
Make no mistake, LSU is better prepared for this game. Barring something unforseen, LSU will win by 7+.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:32 am to BamaStepL
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last I heard last year there was supposed to be some major drop off and Bama has one of the best defenses ever put together... Yeah Bama's depth sucks.
Now you are just making shite up. the drop off was last year bro, everyone knew bama would be hella strong this season.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:38 am to Evolved Simian
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God, these threads are stupid.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:46 am to tigerfoot
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Nope. We also have given upon more TD. Of course Bama has given opponents more scores prior to the game being decided.
Our depth was cultivated when up by 15, the same on offense. Bama keeps the hammer on, makes short people and Bammers happy.
LSU 41 UF 11
Fouth quarter plays
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Russell Shepard for 4 yards to the LSU 40. 11 27
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Rueben Randle for 57 yards to the Fla 3 for a 1ST down.
-Spencer Ware rush for no gain to the Fla 3.
-Spencer Ware rush for 18 yards to the LSU 38 for a 1ST down.
-Spencer Ware rush for a loss of 2 yards to the LSU 36.
-Spencer Ware rush for 1 yard to the LSU 37.
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Spencer Ware for 2 yards to the LSU 39.
And just for good measure the following are on the very last LSU drive.
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Kadron Boone for 21 yards to the LSU 49
-Spencer Ware rush for 2 yards
-Spencer Ware rush for 5 yards to the Fla 40
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:51 am to Titus Pullo
Why do people keep talking about "what if AJ gets injured"? LSU has two QB's with experience. Big fricking deal unless someone does get hurt. Injuries are always a concern but you worry about that IF it happens. It's not like Bama is in some terrible situation at QB. Like most teams, including the last few we've had, we have one starting QB, and a backup with little experience but plenty of talent. It's not a weakness.
You guys would be in trouble too if Lee went down.
You guys would be in trouble too if Lee went down.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:55 am to olgoi khorkhoi
It probably never occurred to you that LSU has yet to face a decent D yet. Our common opponents aside, the Penn St D is FAR better than any team LSU has faced. Hell, the Kent St D is ranked higher than Kentuckys.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:00 pm to Tide75
Let's also not forget that Bama scored one point fewer against Florida in the swamp, than LSU did against the gators in Death Valley.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:09 pm to bona fide
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-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Russell Shepard for 4 yards to the LSU 40. 11 27
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Rueben Randle for 57 yards to the Fla 3 for a 1ST down.
-Spencer Ware rush for no gain to the Fla 3.
-Spencer Ware rush for 18 yards to the LSU 38 for a 1ST down.
-Spencer Ware rush for a loss of 2 yards to the LSU 36.
-Spencer Ware rush for 1 yard to the LSU 37.
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Spencer Ware for 2 yards to the LSU 39.
And just for good measure the following are on the very last LSU drive.
-Jarrett Lee pass complete to Kadron Boone for 21 yards to the LSU 49
-Spencer Ware rush for 2 yards
-Spencer Ware rush for 5 yards to the Fla 40
I really feel for y'all, going thru life without being able to focus is hard.
Y'all have thrown it 73 times to our 40 with large leads.
I don't need to find one game, over a body of 8 games that is the deal. Damn y'all are like my two year old.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:13 pm to CrimsonChin
quote:I really hadn't heard that we thought that.
Why does LSU think they have more depth?
Alabama is a terrific team. Good luck to you.
It should be, and I hope it is, a great game.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:22 pm to tigerfoot
You stated Bama leaves starters in longer than LSU, I showed a snapshot of that not being the case. Didn't feel it was necessary to show all eight games.
Some season totals
Ware- avg 4.1 carries per game in fourth qtr.
Lee - 29 passes in fourth qtr.
TR - avg 2.8 carries in fourth
AJ - 11 passes in fourth qtr.
Les has consistently played his starters longer than Saban this year.
Some season totals
Ware- avg 4.1 carries per game in fourth qtr.
Lee - 29 passes in fourth qtr.
TR - avg 2.8 carries in fourth
AJ - 11 passes in fourth qtr.
Les has consistently played his starters longer than Saban this year.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:27 pm to bona fide
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You stated Bama leaves starters in longer than LSU
I don't think I said that.
I said Bama has more aggressive play calling whilst up by 15 or more. 73 pass attempts to 40 for us.
If you don't like it, look it up. Cfbstats.com, situational stats on D and O.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:31 pm to Tide75
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Let's also not forget that Bama scored one point fewer against Florida in the swamp, than LSU did against the gators in Death Valley.
Impressive ... let's also not forget that Bama scored one point fewer against Tennessee in Bryant Denny than LSU did aginst the Vols in Neyland. Doesn't really mean shite does it?
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:37 pm to tigerfoot
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I said Bama has more aggressive play calling whilst up by 15 or more. 73 pass attempts to 40 for us.
Winning By 15+ Pts 7 47 31 66.0 446 4 0 173.76 57 22 11 4
I don't agree that passing the ball while up 15 in the first half or three qtrs is considered aggressive play calling. Bama was up 24 in the first half against au, and over 15 to UTexas. Guess they should stop passing.
Passing with starters still in the game in the fourth qtr while whipping a team is a clear indication of intent.
Lee has thrown almost 3x as many passes as AJ in the fourth qtr.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:48 pm to Tide75
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It probably never occurred to you that LSU has yet to face a decent D yet. Our common opponents aside, the Penn St D is FAR better than any team LSU has faced. Hell, the Kent St D is ranked higher than Kentuckys.
I think you should adress the point being made before moving on to an unrelated argument.
If you want to make a statistical comparison between the LSU and Alabama defenses, you need to acknowledge the significant difference in the quality of opponents.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:51 pm to tigerfoot
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I don't think I said that.
I said Bama has more aggressive play calling whilst up by 15 or more. 73 pass attempts to 40 for us.
If you don't like it, look it up. Cfbstats.com, situational stats on D and O.
We also have more rushing attempts up 15+
Was there a point? Or just that we've been more willing to put teams away so we can get the subs some game time?
Posted on 10/30/11 at 1:14 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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If you want to make a statistical comparison between the LSU and Alabama defenses, you need to acknowledge the significant difference in the quality of opponents.
Vs. The SEC Only
As you can see, Bama is still way ahead.
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