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re: Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:49 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:49 pm to Goldrush25
quote:No I did not.
You just said that the school was assuming nearly all of the risk. That's clearly not true when it comes to an athlete that experts generally agree will be drafted.
A lot of "experts" agree players will get drafted, that does not mean it will happen.
You still didn't answer the question of how the compensation should be measured for future earnings for a college player that endures an injury that ends his career at the college level. For example, how much should a player at Tyrone Prothro or Marcus Lattimore's playing level have been compensated for future earnings?
quote:It's a risk a high school athlete has to take, right? If they aren't "college material" and all they have is their God given athletic ability then they take the risk on themselves. They can either accept the free education, use the myriad of resources schools provide to become "college material" and obtain degree or decline the offer and get a job like regular folks.
Everyone isn't college material. That includes athletes that only go there because that's the path they have to take to get to the pros.
They have choices, no one is forcing them to play a sport at the college level and raise their expectations to a level where only a professional athletic career will satisfy their hopes and dreams.
I don't see your angle here - are you saying student-athletes that aren't college material in the first place but accept a full ride scholarship to play a sport are owed monetary compensation for future earnings if their athletic career is ended prematurely?
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 1:51 pm
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:58 pm to pvilleguru
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What about the risk of injury?
What about it? If the athlete doesn't want to risk going to play for a university because the risk is too great, then they can choose to wait their time out. Although, in almost all cases of injuries, the university will still honor its commitment with regards to the education and will help with the medical of the student, so the risk is much less for the student-athlete.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:58 pm to RT1941
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You still didn't answer the question of how the compensation should be measured for future earnings for a college player that endures an injury that ends his career at the college level. For example, how much should a player at Tyrone Prothro or Marcus Lattimore's playing level have been compensated for future earnings?
Letting them profit off their name up until that point would suffice.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:59 pm to pvilleguru
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It also said ECHL players are provided a room and utilities.
Admittedly I missed that. But it still won't come close to what college athletes get in tuition, tutors, etc.
okay, so basically what you are saying is the EHL players equal the kid who sits on the bench and doesn't play in college football. The kid in football still gets a much, much better deal, especially considering the education he gets.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:05 pm to pvilleguru
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Letting them profit off their name up until that point would suffice.
They do. They get the opportunity to get an education, housing, food, etc... that would put most others in debt for 30 or so years. And they can profit more off of it once they get to the next level.
Look, they know what the deal is when they sign up for it and nobody forces them to. If they find the deal unfair, they they shouldn't agree to it. They already receive fair compensation for the work that they put in. It is just that simple.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:05 pm to pvilleguru
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Pretty sure that was the league minimum. I think it said the average salary was 90k.
I meant to change that when I noticed it and apparenlty failed to.
So, if the schools start paying the football players around $90,000 a year...or $45,000...or even $20,000 a year, which sports are you saying the schools should drop. Most of the schools would immediately go into the red and start dropping a lot of the sports. All lose money except Football and basketball and as a whole basketball only breaks even.
Yes, you can find exceptions to the rule, but that is most. For every school that has a basketball team that makes some money there will be a football team that loses money somewhere.
So, which sports do you think should be dropped?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:08 pm to Goldrush25
Letting them profit off their name up until that point would suffice.
I said it and yes, it is still true. They have to work to get to the point where they are generally agreed that they will get drafted and, up to that point, the university still provides the coaches, trainers, equipment, facilities, housing, meals, exposure, PR, etc... so the fact remains that the university is still assuming almost all of the risk.
I said it and yes, it is still true. They have to work to get to the point where they are generally agreed that they will get drafted and, up to that point, the university still provides the coaches, trainers, equipment, facilities, housing, meals, exposure, PR, etc... so the fact remains that the university is still assuming almost all of the risk.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:09 pm to sardog12
quote:Some people feel that the school providing a free education, room/board, + a monthly stipend (even to the kids that aren't "college material") just isn't enough!
What about it? If the athlete doesn't want to risk going to play for a university because the risk is too great, then they can choose to wait their time out. Although, in almost all cases of injuries, the university will still honor its commitment with regards to the education and will help with the medical of the student, so the risk is much less for the student-athlete.
And should the kid sustain a career ending injury at the college level he should be compensated for what he may have done and may have earned at the professional level based on what the "experts" think his draft status may have been. The school footing all medical bills for the injury AND honoring his scholarship so that he can earn a degree just isn't enough.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:10 pm to pvilleguru
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What about the risk of injury?
Many of the highest profile athletes have insurance policies. In the greater scheme of things, very few get injured to the point they cannot play in the NFL if they originally had the talent to do so. Does it happen? I'm sure it does. But it isn't a common thing. I mean...I would be willing to bet 2-3 players a year get injured in a year that would have had a reasonable shot at the NFL. Playing in the NFL to a level that makes a difference long term financially is a crap shoot at best. Most players play 3-4 years and are done.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:11 pm to sardog12
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They do
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:12 pm to DawgsLife
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So, if the schools start paying the football players
I'm not advocating for schools to pay players.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:13 pm to pvilleguru
Laugh all you want but it doesn't make the points less valid or true.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:15 pm to sardog12
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it doesn't make the points less valid or true.
bullshite. It severely limits how much money a lot of these athletes can make in the short time frame that they are able to compete
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:15 pm to sardog12
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Letting them profit off their name up until that point would suffice.
If you think recruiting players is dirty now? just let some booster tell a kid he can make sure he gets an autograph show 2-3 times a year where he will be guaranteed a $20,000 profit at each show.
Alabama, georgia, LSU, Auburn might can make those promises. McNeese State? GT? UCF? No.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:16 pm to pvilleguru
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I'm not advocating for schools to pay players.
Then why were salaries of hockey players in the minors brought up? I thought you brought that up.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:16 pm to Quicksilver
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if you can give me a rational reason why any adult should not be able to profit off of their own likeness in a capitalist driven society while another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
Something something something free education (like UNC's fake classes!) something something something school networking blah blah blah
They can't b/c there isn't a legit reason.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:16 pm to DawgsLife
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If you think recruiting players is dirty now?
At least it won't be under the table anymore.
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just let some booster tell a kid he can make sure he gets an autograph show 2-3 times a year where he will be guaranteed a $20,000 profit at each show.
Sounds good to me.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:17 pm to pvilleguru
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It severely limits how much money a lot of these athletes can make in the short time frame that they are able to compete
If you are making the argument that they should be allowed to go to the pros earlier than they currently are, then you are in the wrong argument. But this point is invalid in this argument to refute the points that I and others have made. It just doesn't make sense for the reasons that others have pointed out and I don't need to repeat them.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:18 pm to DawgsLife
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Then why was salaries of hockey players in the minors get brought up? I thought you brought that up
I don't think I brought up the salaries. I posted that in response to baseball salaries. I was talking about the ability to sign endorsements, make money from signatures, have a job on the side, etc.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:19 pm to sardog12
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If you are making the argument that they should be allowed to go to the pros earlier than they currently are, then you are in the wrong argument
I'm not. Try to keep up.
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