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re: Why Arkansas beat LSU last season
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:11 am to Hawgeye
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:11 am to Hawgeye
Hey Hawgeye, Arkansas may have a decent record of regular season wins but your piss poor bowl record puts you way down in the pack. Having one of the worst if not worst all-time bowl records in college football puts you way down in the list of competitive football teams cause you historically can't close out seasons.
BTW check out all time wins and get back to me who has the better all-time team historically. And don't give me this BS about it starts after WWII or it starts after the AP was introduced to fit your argument. The big boys all use all time wins as the argument if your going to be arguing the past, you can't cut and paste and sugar coat your stuff just to fit your argument.
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What do you want to go by? Losses?
BTW check out all time wins and get back to me who has the better all-time team historically. And don't give me this BS about it starts after WWII or it starts after the AP was introduced to fit your argument. The big boys all use all time wins as the argument if your going to be arguing the past, you can't cut and paste and sugar coat your stuff just to fit your argument.
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 10:15 am
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Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:15 am to Hawgeye
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LSU's schedule was always littered with a Rice, Texas A&M, or a Tulane. In conference play, LSU mostly played Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky as half of those conference games each year.
and Nebraska and Oregon State and Ohio State and Florida...
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:54 am to Hawgeye
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Hawgeye
you should quit. you got crushed in the last 3 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:13 am to Choctaw
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you should quit. you got crushed in the last 3 posts
Really? The 55 years prior to 2000 LSU was not as good of a program as Arkansas. Period, which is what I stated.
LSU is a johnny come lately program, period. One of the worst national championship teams ever, no undefeated season since the 1950's, and has a split national championship with USC in the early 2000's.
LSU is NOT coupled with the elite teams of all time in college football. As much as you and the rest of that fan base would love for it to be so, it isn't.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:17 am to Hawgeye
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Really? The 55 years prior to 2000 LSU was not as good of a program as Arkansas. Period, which is what I stated.
I guess you missed the post where I totally shredded that contention. So much so you didn't even bother responding
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LSU is a johnny come lately program, period. One of the worst national championship teams ever, no undefeated season since the 1950's, and has a split national championship with USC in the early 2000's.
LSU is NOT coupled with the elite teams of all time in college football. As much as you and the rest of that fan base would love for it to be so, it isn't.
Yeah, you're jelly
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:17 am to Rohan2Reed
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LSU's schedule was always littered with a Rice, Texas A&M, or a Tulane. In conference play, LSU mostly played Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky as half of those conference games each year.
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and Nebraska and Oregon State and Ohio State and Florida...
You only played Nebraska 2 times in the regular season back in the day, 3 times in bowl games. Never winning a match up.
LSU played Oregon State 3 times prior to 1989.
LSU played Florida 34 times prior to 1989. Florida had never won an SEC title in that time frame. Only 3 top 5 finished before then. Florida was not the powerhouse then that they are now.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I guess you missed the post where I totally shredded that contention.
The only thing shredded in this thread is your feelings. Other than that, it is hard to ignore the facts. LSU was a program below Arkansas for 55 years, up until a good hire in the 2000's.
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Yeah, you're jelly
19 losing seasons for LSU in the 55 years prior to the year 2000. Yea, I am certainly jelling.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:24 am to Hawgeye
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:25 am to Hawgeye
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The only thing shredded in this thread is your feelings. Other than that, it is hard to ignore the facts. LSU was a program below Arkansas for 55 years, up until a good hire in the 2000's.
Ok dude
Just totally ignore all my points. At least I addressed your arguments. Your trolling is weak today. Just insisting something is true over and over doesn't make it so.This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:28 am to MThawg
I'm pretty sure we beat LSU last season because we were a better team then them.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
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BTW, you won by 8, Hatcher gave up 14. Do the math genius.
Wow, this is fricking retarded.
Arkansas lost to tOSU by 5, Julian Horton cost us 7 points. Do the math.
BCS bowl victory
SEC 10-0 vs the Suckeyes
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:35 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Major bowls and final rankings.
1946-1999
Arkansas: 13 top 10 finishes; 16 "major" bowls
LSU: 9 top 10 finishes; 18 "major" bowls
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You beat up on Rice, Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU for 60 years. I sure as shite hope you had a better winning percentage against that murder's row than we did against Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Vaught's Ole Miss and Auburn.
LSU did not play all of those teams every year. That is a fact. You can cry all you want about playing in the SEC every season, but it holds no water when you played Miss state, Ole miss, Kentucky, along with Tulane and other Louisiana schools most years. That is half, if not half of your historical schedule is rent-a-wins.
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We played OOC regular season games: Nebraska in 75 and 76 USC in 79 and 84 Florida State in 80, 81, 82 83, 89, 90 and 91 Miami in 88 Ohio State in 88 and 89 Notre Dame in 70, 71, 81, 84, 85 and 86 Washington in 83 Wisconsin in 71 and 72 Colorado in 73, 74 and 80 Texas A&M annually during their glory years So GTFO with that shite.
Congrats, you had some solid teams sprinkled in here or there a few times. Since you decided to rag on the Arkansas schedule....
Cal, Miami FL, Ole Miss(who you claim as tough), Missouri, Navy, Oklahoma State, Southern Cal, Stanford.
you gtfo with that shite
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:44 am to oleheat
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Those two plays were a tad bit pivotal
They were, but I knew the game was over when LSU had the ball inside the Arkansas 20 3 times in the 2nd half and came away with 6 points.
That was our chance to take the momentum back...I am so happy Crowton is gone
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:48 am to Chimlim
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I knew the game was over when LSU had the ball inside the Arkansas 20 3 times in the 2nd half and came away with 6 points.
Yes, agree. TO inside our own territory, big return by PP and you guys never converted any of that in to a TD on our defense.
Then the long drive in the 4th w/8 straight Arkansas running plays is why LSu lost. Mallett game LSU more chances with the picks he threw as well.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:22 pm to Hawgeye
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Hawgeye
I'm not sure if you're being intellectually dishonest, flaming, or if you're just plain stupid
#1- Nobody is arguing that from the 60's - the 80's, Arkansas and LSU were equals.
#2- The difference between the two schools, and what you're conveniently leaving out of your numbers, is that LSU has been significantly better than Arkansas both before and after that period.
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LSU did not play all of those teams every year. That is a fact. You can cry all you want about playing in the SEC every season, but it holds no water when you played Miss state, Ole miss, Kentucky, along with Tulane and other Louisiana schools most years. That is half, if not half of your historical schedule is rent-a-wins.
You cannot be this dumb. Ole Miss and Tulane were very good prior to the 70's. LSU's SOS prior to Arkansas joining the SEC was unquestionably better than the Hog's in the SWC.
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Congrats, you had some solid teams sprinkled in here or there a few times.
@ sprinkled. That's every year or damn near every year. Again, I KNOW you aren't this dumb. quote:
Cal, Miami FL, Ole Miss(who you claim as tough), Missouri, Navy, Oklahoma State, Southern Cal, Stanford.
Cal, Oklahoma State, Missouri and NAVY vs Notre Dame, Ohio State and Bowden era Florida State
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:59 pm to Hawgeye
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Tulane and other Louisiana schools most years.
LSU didn't start playing the other Louisiana schools until 2002. Before that it was just Tulane.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 1:05 pm to Hawgeye
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Hawgeye
Everybody notice how Hawgeye conveniently choose to ignore the facts I presented about all time wins? He loves to throw out stats that fit his arguments, the decades that makes it look better for his argument. If your going to look at the past doesn't it make sense to look at the ENTIRE history? Either we do that or we can just start from today. That's Arkansas fans for you. Whether it's last 4 years head to head (3 out of 4) or let's cherry pick some decades.
Throw that in with one of the most pathetic bowl records in College Football and it's not even close. I thought it isn't how you start it's how you FINISH?
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/30/11 at 1:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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#1- Nobody is arguing that from the 60's - the 80's, Arkansas and LSU were equals.
Again, read this slowly. From WWII til 2000, Arkansas was the better program of the two. For 55 years prior to 2000, Arkansas was the better program than LSU.
Do you understand this? I've laid it all out for you prior to this post. It is not that fricking hard.
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#2- The difference between the two schools, and what you're conveniently leaving out of your numbers, is that LSU has been significantly better than Arkansas both before and after that period.
Actually, no. From when the AP poll started up until the end of the 1999 season, LSU had only 10 more wins in that span of time. You can credit that to the bad years in the 30's for Arkansas, because from 1940-1999 Arkansas had 4 more wins than LSU in that 59 year span. When you stop and look at the 50 years prior to the 2000 season, the Arkansas margin grows even further.
Like I said earlier in the thread, LSU is a johnny come lately, which is why you now have more wins and a better win pct. than Arkansas over that course of time. It has only been since 2000 that LSU has been better program wise than Arkansas.
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You cannot be this dumb. Ole Miss and Tulane were very good prior to the 70's. LSU's SOS prior to Arkansas joining the SEC was unquestionably better than the Hog's in the SWC.
Ole Miss was good during the late 50s and early 60s. They have not won a conference title since 1963. Tulane has only finished ranked 7 times in the AP poll all time. 6 of those were from 1938-1973. From 1940-1970, Tulane did not play in a bowl game.
No, LSUs SOS was not "unquestionably" better than Arkansas during that time.
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@ sprinkled. That's every year or damn near every year. Again, I KNOW you aren't this dumb.
Not even close to every year, guy. Not even close.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 1:10 pm to Stuttgart Tiger
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LSU didn't start playing the other Louisiana schools until 2002. Before that it was just Tulane.
False
Posted on 8/30/11 at 1:28 pm to Hawgeye
What game(s) are you citing that makes my statement false?
Past LSU Schedules
Are you going back to the 1940s?
Past LSU Schedules
Are you going back to the 1940s?
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 1:29 pm
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