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re: Why Arkansas beat LSU last season
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:06 am to Hawgeye
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:06 am to Hawgeye
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What about Mallett throwing the stupid pick in the endzone?
Here's my take- all BS aside. It's not fair to pin all the blame on one person. I didn't think it was fair to treat Jarrett Lee the way many fans did back in 08. I still don't.
But let's not kid ourselves. Those two plays were a tad bit pivotal. That's not placing blame on a particular player, or saying you wouldn't have won, otherwise- that's just stating the obvious. Helen Keller would probably agree with that.
But- that's football. It's a game where mistakes can bite you in the arse and not let go. Our boys made some real pitbulls that day.
Ancient history, though. I'm ready for this year.
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Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Modern either begins with integration or with the advent of the AP poll
I think it began with integration. Before that it was a bunch of 180 lb white guys running around with leather helmets.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:14 am to YumYum Sauce
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I think it began with integration. Before that it was a bunch of 180 lb white guys running around with leather helmets.
I tend to agree, but I think the creation of the AP is also a fair jumping off point. At some level it's tough though because why should 1936 count more than 1935?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:21 am to oleheat
I don't know why everyone keeps trying to correlate the teams/coaches/players that are taking the field this coming week to those that played decades ago. People need to quit living in the past, open their eyes, and see what is in front of them.
You are truly distorted if you can look at either Arkansas or LSU as they stand right now and think that they won't be competitive, both against each other, as well as against the rest of the conference and on a national level. There simply won't be any blow-outs coming from either team, and both teams will be able to hang with just about anyone in the nation.
All I care about is the present and the future. Whether or not people want to admit it, Arkansas is already forming a reputation. Yeah, we haven't won anything, but it is a work in progress. We lost our star quarterback, our All-American tight end, our offensive line, and our All-American running back is out for the season, and we are still a consensus top 15 pre-season program. Just a couple of years ago, if we were in this same scenario we wouldn't even be sniffing the top 25. Things are being run differently here now. Expectations are higher. You may call some of us delusional for gloating when we haven't done anything yet, but we just aren't plagued by the SEC "Big 6" close-minded bias that a lot of you adhere to. Will we live up to that hype? Only time will tell. The important thing is that we are forming a reputation that we are going to be competitive every year, no different than Alabama and LSU. LSU can be a consensus top 5 program with a non-existent offense, Alabama can be a consensus top 3 program while juggling 3 quarterbacks, why can't we have high expectations despite having a couple areas of question?
:inb4peoplebringupthepast:
:inb4peoplesay"becauseyou'rejustarkansas"
:inb4peoplepostrandompictures"
You are truly distorted if you can look at either Arkansas or LSU as they stand right now and think that they won't be competitive, both against each other, as well as against the rest of the conference and on a national level. There simply won't be any blow-outs coming from either team, and both teams will be able to hang with just about anyone in the nation.
All I care about is the present and the future. Whether or not people want to admit it, Arkansas is already forming a reputation. Yeah, we haven't won anything, but it is a work in progress. We lost our star quarterback, our All-American tight end, our offensive line, and our All-American running back is out for the season, and we are still a consensus top 15 pre-season program. Just a couple of years ago, if we were in this same scenario we wouldn't even be sniffing the top 25. Things are being run differently here now. Expectations are higher. You may call some of us delusional for gloating when we haven't done anything yet, but we just aren't plagued by the SEC "Big 6" close-minded bias that a lot of you adhere to. Will we live up to that hype? Only time will tell. The important thing is that we are forming a reputation that we are going to be competitive every year, no different than Alabama and LSU. LSU can be a consensus top 5 program with a non-existent offense, Alabama can be a consensus top 3 program while juggling 3 quarterbacks, why can't we have high expectations despite having a couple areas of question?
:inb4peoplebringupthepast:
:inb4peoplesay"becauseyou'rejustarkansas"
:inb4peoplepostrandompictures"
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I tend to agree, but I think the creation of the AP is also a fair jumping off point. At some level it's tough though because why should 1936 count more than 1935?
It starts our first good year and ends when we had a bad year
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:25 am to bpfergu
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but we just aren't plagued by the SEC "Big 6" close-minded bias that a lot of you adhere to.
You realize there are reasons why one of those 6 schools has won every single SEC title since integration, right?
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:25 am to Jon Ham
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quote: If you beat the body, the mind will follow. Just think about last year, 4th quarter, right here in Little Rock, LSU, [we] started the ball on the 9 yard line... a play-action pass to DJ [Williams], and then we ran the ball 8 straight times, and finally their mind quit, and we won the game.
Just another pig obsessing over a "victory" over a superior school/program
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You realize there are reasons why one of those 6 schools has won every single SEC title since integration, right?
:inb4peoplebringupthepast:
You always deliver.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:27 am to Jon Ham
wouldn't have got to the 4th quarter in a hole if hatcher didn't blow.
maybe we were spoiled by so many good safeties over the year and an average arkansas safety would do the same thing, and that's why they don't get it.
to hawg fans winning = throwing lots of passes.
maybe we were spoiled by so many good safeties over the year and an average arkansas safety would do the same thing, and that's why they don't get it.
to hawg fans winning = throwing lots of passes.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:28 am to bpfergu
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bpfergu
LSU and Alabama are on another level than Arkansas because we have more talent in our states and because kids want to play in huge, 100k seat stadiums with national reputations. Arkansas obviously is a good team and Petrino has done a good job and nobody is saying they don't expect you to be competitive, but the rest of the SEC doesn't view you as one of the big boys and they never will until you start winning championships. plural. Nobody cares that you had one good year and nobody will care even if you win the SEC. They want to see you do it year in and year out for a long time before they will give you that kind of respect and IMO Arkansas simply does not have the kind of program that is capable of that sort of thing.
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:29 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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to hawg fans winning = throwing lots of passes.
Hog fans winning is more points on our side of the scoreboard. We won against y'all. Sorry just face the facts we won the game. Just like (here comes the past) ya'll have a better overall program than we have.
I think we would be there if we didn't get rid of our good coaches too early back in the day and then have a string of mediocre coaches at best.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:30 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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wouldn't have got to the 4th quarter in a hole if hatcher didn't blow.
maybe we were spoiled by so many good safeties over the year and an average arkansas safety would do the same thing, and that's why they don't get it.
to hawg fans winning = throwing lots of passes.
We wouldn't have lost to Alabama if Mallett didn't throw late-game interceptions and Knile had found his stride.
We wouldn't have lost to Auburn if the refs didn't make two terrible calls, taking an obvious TD away from us as well as giving Auburn a TD that they obviously didn't get.
Even if you don't count those games, we would have beat Ohio State if Mallett didn't throw another poor late-game interception, if our receivers (Joe Adams especially) would have actually caught their passes, or if our defense knew the term "scoop and score".
Isn't this fun?!
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:31 am to MThawg
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We won against y'all. Sorry just face the facts we won the game. Just like (here comes the past) ya'll have a better overall program than we have.
You realize 2010 is the past now too, right?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:32 am to Draconian Sanctions
Yesterday was the past as well...good job!! Last year is the most recent thing to talk about until Saturday.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
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LSU and Alabama are on another level than Arkansas because we have more talent in our states and because kids want to play in huge, 100k seat stadiums with national reputations. Arkansas obviously is a good team and Petrino has done a good job and nobody is saying they don't expect you to be competitive, but the rest of the SEC doesn't view you as one of the big boys and they never will until you start winning championships. plural. Nobody cares that you had one good year and nobody will care even if you win the SEC. They want to see you do it year in and year out for a long time before they will give you that kind of respect and IMO Arkansas simply does not have the kind of program that is capable of that sort of thing.
The only part that I agree with you on is in-state talent. Arkansas' biggest shortcoming is that they are a small state with a less-than-stellar high school football presence, so we have to go out of state to find recruits. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of your opinions are extremely subjective.
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:43 am to bpfergu
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LSU can be a consensus top 5 program with a non-existent offense, Alabama can be a consensus top 3 program while juggling 3 quarterbacks, why can't we have high expectations despite having a couple areas of question?
Well, I think at least some of it has to do with both LSU & Alabama looking to have some very tough defenses this year.
But me personally- I certainly am not forgetting about Arkansas. I believe that offense is going to give everyone fits. Too much talent at the skill postions not to.
So let's not kid ourselves, the race for the SEC West will be tight. We'll have a much better picture in about 7 weeks.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Arkansas was good from the 60's through the mid 80's. They weren't worth a shite before and haven't been worth a shite since.
I just showed you a link to facts stating that Arkansas was a better program for 50+ years up until 2000.
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LSU has been a consistent top 15 program or better every decade since the 30's (with the obvious exception of the 90's) until the present.
No they havent. Did you ignore the facts I posted earlier?
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LSU has more wins, more national titles, more top ten finishes, more top 25 finishes, more bowl appearances, more bowl wins, more major bowl appearances, more major bowl wins and a lopsided series lead. There is no meaningful measure of success in which Arkansas is as good as LSU. None. LSU is a borderline top 10 all time program. Arkansas is not even top 20.
Did you fail at reading comprehension all of your life, or just the past few hours?
I said Arkansas was a better program than LSU until 2000.
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I will give you credit for a very well done attempt to break up time frames and cut off others in order to make Arkansas appear just as good, very sneaky.
Arkansas was not just as good for most of the past 65 years, they were flat out a better program than LSU until LSU hired Saban.
Do not let the facts get in your way, continue to argue that LSU is some football power, when in all actuality LSU is a johnny come lately.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:46 am to Hawgeye
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Hawgeye
ok dude. Wins are the only measure? I guess you think Boise State is the best program in the country the last 5 years? 
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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ok dude. Wins are the only measure?
What do you want to go by? Losses?
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I guess you think Boise State is the best program in the country the last 5 years?
Of course not, their schedule is a joke. Fact of the matter is, you will attempt to say LSu played in the SEC for soooo long. Unfortunately, LSU usually only played 6 SEC games, maybe less a year up until the late 80's. LSU's schedule was always littered with a Rice, Texas A&M, or a Tulane. In conference play, LSU mostly played Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky as half of those conference games each year.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:59 am to Hawgeye
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What do you want to go by? Losses?
Major bowls and final rankings.
You played in a joke conference yourself. Just looking at the site you linked, LSU had a 67% winning percentage against the SWC from 1920-1991. Arkansas had a 43% winning percentage against the SEC over the same span.
You beat up on Rice, Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU for 60 years. I sure as shite hope you had a better winning percentage against that murder's row than we did against Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Vaught's Ole Miss and Auburn.
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Unfortunately, LSU usually only played 6 SEC games, maybe less a year up until the late 80's. LSU's schedule was always littered with a Rice, Texas A&M, or a Tulane. In conference play, LSU mostly played Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky as half of those conference games each year.
We played OOC regular season games:
Nebraska in 75 and 76
USC in 79 and 84
Florida State in 80, 81, 82 83, 89, 90 and 91
Miami in 88
Ohio State in 88 and 89
Notre Dame in 70, 71, 81, 84, 85 and 86
Washington in 83
Wisconsin in 71 and 72
Colorado in 73, 74 and 80
Texas A&M annually during their glory years
So GTFO with that shite.
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 10:14 am
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