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re: Who will finish last in the West?
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:08 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:08 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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You remember what LSU posters were saying way back in 2013?
Well yeah, I have been here since 2012 as you can clearly see. I remember a lot of conversations I have had on the Rant since then because humans have the ability to if they don't drink too much. Heck I remember before the motorcycle fell over and the Hogs ran this board.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 3:09 pm
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:11 pm to cardboardboxer
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In 2013 y'all weren't top 20 in points per game. That is the point of an offense.
So simple-minded. LSU led the SEC in points/game in 2011. The same offense that scored 0 in the championship game. But super great offense, right!?
In reality, we had a really good defense and special teams in 2011 that helped us get great field position, and a lot of times just score on their own. When they didn't score, our offense was able to capitalize.
LSU had one of their two or three worst defenses in recent years in 2013, so we didn't get a ton of help from them. Wing was also gone, so not as much advantage in the punting game, either. That is why we repeatedly had to drive the field and gain so many yards.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:15 pm to BayouBengals03
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I have no idea how you got that out of what I said.
I got what you said, you said that Mett should be given a handicap or something because that he did all that he needed to do given his defense.
Yet Mett didn't win a national title that year, so obviously if he put more points on the board there was a higher ceiling. Also in this very thread you blame key losses in 2013 on the defense, aka the thing so awesome that Mett didn't need to do more. Your whole perspective is skewed because you think one man (Chavis) lost you a title, when quite frankly if Mett would have scored more points y'all might have also won one. The team with the most points at the end wins, doesn't matter if it is 9-6 or 55-54.
So handicap denied. 2013 was a great but not elite offense and Mett was the third best QB that year.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:16 pm to BayouBengals03
I agree, to an extent, about your comparison point.
3082 yards, 22 TDs, and 8 INTs would have been above average in 2014 yet would have been average in 2012 as five separate quarterbacks finished with more than 22 passing TDs, for the record.
No one is saying Mett was bad in 2013.
Everyone not wearing purple and gold glasses is merely saying he isn't as good as y'all make him out to be.
3082 yards, 22 TDs, and 8 INTs would have been above average in 2014 yet would have been average in 2012 as five separate quarterbacks finished with more than 22 passing TDs, for the record.
No one is saying Mett was bad in 2013.
Everyone not wearing purple and gold glasses is merely saying he isn't as good as y'all make him out to be.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:17 pm to BayouBengals03
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LSU had one of their two or three worst defenses in recent years in 2013, so we didn't get a ton of help from them
You say that now, but just a few posts up you said:
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With the defense LSU had that season, that kind of quarterback play was exactly what they needed.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:17 pm to JesusQuintana
Arkansas.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:18 pm to Nguyening
My serious answer is obviously the aggies. They are one dimensional on offense
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:20 pm to cardboardboxer
You are mind-numbingly stupid.
I said LSU needed that type of quarterback play... as in very good quarterback play. Because our defense wasn't as good as it had been in the past.
I said LSU needed that type of quarterback play... as in very good quarterback play. Because our defense wasn't as good as it had been in the past.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:21 pm to cardboardboxer
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got what you said, you said that Mett should be given a handicap or something because that he did all that he needed to do given his defense.
Completely off.
My initial comparison had nothing to do with the defense. Just that 2013 was a great year for quarterbacks, so saying Mett was "merely above average" as an quarterback that year isn't telling the entire story; because there were a lot of great ones that season.
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Yet Mett didn't win a national title that year, so obviously if he put more points on the board there was a higher ceiling. Also in this very thread you blame key losses in 2013 on the defense, aka the thing so awesome that Mett didn't need to do more. Your whole perspective is skewed because you think one man (Chavis) lost you a title, when quite frankly if Mett would have scored more points y'all might have also won one. The team with the most points at the end wins, doesn't matter if it is 9-6 or 55-54.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:22 pm to BayouBengals03
So, LSU needed above average quarterback play with the defense they had in 2013? Bitching about comparing him to the others in the league at that time is just making an excuse.
Mind-blowing assessments here.
Mind-blowing assessments here.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:23 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:No they didn't.
LSU led the SEC in points/game in 2011.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:25 pm to Tornado Alley
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No one is saying Mett was bad in 2013.
Trust me, I get it.
I'm not saying Mett was better than Manziel, McCarron, Murray, or even Marshall.
All I'm saying is that it's not always that simple when judging guys. 5 or 6 guys can have great seasons in one year. Just like only 2 guys can have a great season some years, as well (2014).
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:25 pm to joeyb147
Arkansas led the conference in 2011 at a 36.8 clip and LSU was second at 35.7 points per game.
It should be noted that LSU scored an absurd nine non-offensive touchdowns in 2011.
It should be noted that LSU scored an absurd nine non-offensive touchdowns in 2011.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:26 pm to BayouBengals03
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I said LSU needed that type of quarterback play... as in very good quarterback play.
Well what type of quarterback play did LSU need all these other years since the decade started to win a national title? Seems like very good quarterback play EVERY year at LSU would have been what would have gotten y'all over the hump.
Plus LSU had a top 15 defense in 2013. That is objectively elite by any measure.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:26 pm to BayouBengals03
Fair enough. 
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:27 pm to Tornado Alley
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So, LSU needed above average quarterback play with the defense they had in 2013? Bitching about comparing him to the others in the league at that time is just making an excuse.
It's not an excuse. It's a statement. If LSU didn't get very good quarterback play, we wouldn't have been nearly as good. The same exact guy was our quarterback in 2012, and he wasn't very good. However, we had a really good defense/special teams, so we were able to win more games.
Football is a complex game. I don't understand what you're trying to argue.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:28 pm to BayouBengals03
All I'm trying to say is that Mett was good in 2013, but not as great as LSU fans make him out to be.
That's literally it.
That's literally it.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:29 pm to joeyb147
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LSU led the SEC in points/game in 2011.
quote:Who lead the conference in '11? Bama & LSU's averages were pretty damn close at the end of the season.
No they didn't.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:29 pm to Tornado Alley
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All I'm trying to say is that Mett was good in 2013, but not as great as LSU fans make him out to be.
:kige:
Posted on 8/18/15 at 3:30 pm to cardboardboxer
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Plus LSU had a top 15 defense in 2013. That is objectively elite by any measure.
but 24th in ppg offensively isn't? seems like the "objective" threshold for elite and above average is pretty slum, huh?
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