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re: Who deserved the 1980 national championship?

Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:58 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:58 am to
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Congrats on that run in '90's with those ACC "powerhouses"




1993 National title end of the year ranked wins

#4 UF
#15 Miami
#19 UNC
#23 Clemson
Lost to #2 Notre dame

Bowl game

Beat #1 OU

Nothing weak about that schedule


1999 National Title end of the year ranked wins

#14 Miami
#15 UF
#17 Georgia Tech

Bowl game

Beat #2 Virginia tech


Once again, not really a cupcake season








This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 9:59 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:59 am to
I would also argue about Pitt's schedule. Sure, they beat a #5 Penn Stat, but the only other ranked opponent they played was Florida State and they got trucked 36-22 by FSU. (They did play South Carolina in the bowl game who was ranked #18, though)

Pitt really did not become a factor...a BIG factor until 1981.
Posted by DaronTexas
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:01 am to
Typed all that just to get a downvote.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:01 am to
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not that any of those teams were bad.


Huh?All were very good and the '82 team was the best team at the end of the regular season.Too bad Dooley was a notoriously bad post season coach.

'83 was another top 5 team (w/out HW) and the schedule included the champions of the ACC (Clemson)SEC Auburn Pac 10 (UCLA) and SWC (Texas)

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:07 am to
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Not knocking UGA by no stretch, going undefeated in college football at any level is very very hard to do, ask the gators. I'm not saying it is was UGA's choice to play Notre Dame but looking back at it now it was a poor choice by the Sugar Bowl


I agree. There were a lot of poor choices made when it was the bowls decisions. I think the downfall was when they began to have tie-ins with the conferences. It practically ruined the Rose Bowl when the B1G and PAC12 had weaker teams in the same year...or even one or the other had a weak team it hurt them. having a tie-in with two conferences is just dangerous.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:09 am to
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Huh?All were very good and the '82 team was the best team at the end of the regular season.Too bad Dooley was a notoriously bad post season coach.

'83 was another top 5 team (w/out HW) and the schedule included the champions of the ACC (Clemson)SEC Auburn Pac 10 (UCLA) and SWC (Texas)



I agree. But after that we kind of leveled off and only had really good years here and there. Georgia has, as a whole, been consistent, but not really great on a National level consistently.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:11 am to
I know some people are criticizing you for this thread, but I think it's been interesting to talk about. Every year (or at least most) could be debated this way.

I don't know if you were trying to troll us (I suspect you were) but it was actually kind of interesting to me to take a closer look.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:14 am to
The ACC was cake walk when FSU joined...they didn't lose conference til almost their 4th season.You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC?

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95129 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:23 am to
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You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC?
Yes, absolutely


FSU averaged playing about 4-5 ranked opponents every regular season


The 90s SEC would not have been different
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 10:24 am
Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:31 am to
Georgia
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95129 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:39 am to
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The ACC was cake walk when FSU joined...they didn't lose conference til almost their 4th season.You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC?



End of the year regular season ranked opponents for FSU in the 90s below. Trying to insinuate their run was due to weak schedules is hilarious




Lets compare to UGAs regular season run to their title game this year

This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 10:40 am
Posted by Pdubntrub
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:43 am to
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don't know if you were trying to troll us (I suspect you were) but it was actually kind of interesting to me to take a closer look.

No, I read the article and decided to post it here. It's the off season and the 1980 championship debate is better than I realized. I assumed like everyone else it was the year of the dawg
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:51 am to
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They should've played Pitt in the Sugar Bowl or FSU. FSU and UGA would've been a great game. I think Pitt would've beat them like they did 2 years later. Walker was great but I'd take Marino


True. But remember not only were the selections and tie-ins different then,so were the pay-outs.The Orange could pay more than the Sugar because of their contract with NBC vs the Sugar's contract vs ABC.

Now going into November of 1980 it looked like the Sugar was going to win the lottery. They were on schedule to have #1 Alabama play #2 Notre Dame, or #3 Georgia.Alabama lost and #2 and #3 moved up.Georgia and Lindsey Scott beat Florida and Notre Dame tied 1-8 Georgia Tech ,3-3.

Now, the Fiesta was a year away from joining the New Year's Day bowls and 6 years from being a "big bowl" so to speak.So you still had the Rose with the Big 10 champ vs Pac 10 champ (the Pac 10 had five teams on probation and ineligible for bowls), SWC with Cotton,SEC with Sugar and Big 8 with Orange.

Pittsburgh and Florida State were still independents without a national following. But the Orange wanted Florida State who was third at the time even though they risked a rematch with Nebraska. The Cotton, with 11th ranked Baylor looking to host was looking more to ratings than "the best team available." So, Pitt was going to be left out of the "Big Four- really Big 3."

The Notre Dame-Alabama game which concluded after Georgia won the SEC with a 31-21 win over Auburn was for a berth in the Sugar Bowl. The Sugar had incentives with ABC for ratings and rankings so Pittsburgh was going to get knocked out for Notre Dame and Alabama.

Had Alabama not had fumbled on its two (after a weird exchange of fumbles by both teams) the game might have ended 0-0 and who knows what the Sugar would have done. But Notre Dame won, 7-0 and as Notre Dame they went from 6th to 2nd and the Sugar looked brilliant. But two weeks later Southern Cal smoked Notre Dame, 20-3.

Pittsburgh was #3 and crushed South Carolina in the Gator Bowl. Had Notre Dame upset Georgia, they would have been #1 as Oklahoma edged #2 Florida State, 18-17 in the Orange.

Oddly enough, had Georgia beaten Auburn in 1978 instead of tying them, the Gator very well could have hosted a National Title game between Penn State and Alabama, instead of them playing in the Sugar.
Posted by Pdubntrub
Member since Jan 2018
1779 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:53 am to
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The ACC was cake walk when FSU joined...they didn't lose conference til almost their 4th season.You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC

Only people who didn't watch FSU in the 90s would say their success was due to a weak schedule.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:55 am to
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No, I read the article and decided to post it here.

In that case...
Good choice. I found it interesting and a worthwhile way to spend a few minutes. I wish we had more threads like this instead of the constant troll threads and "Which are the best stadiums/uniforms/etc" threads we get every off season.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14104 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:57 am to
Georgia, by way of MSU
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
2540 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:00 am to
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FSU was probably the best team in 1980


FSU lost to a 3-loss Miami team, 10-9. Miami ended up ranked #18.

I'm sure that hurt their chances, even though an unbeaten UGA had the much weaker schedule. They did, however, win all of them, and nobody else did. So...UGA deserved the title.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
14989 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:22 am to
Under the rules of that time Georgia did but I believe it is true they probably would have lost to Pitt and maybe FSU. The bowl tie-ins back then caused the #1 and #2 teams to not meet quite often.
Posted by Phat Phil
Krispy Kreme
Member since May 2010
7373 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:29 am to
UGA. Other teams had losses.
Posted by SAINTS0321
Member since Jan 2016
3963 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:48 pm to
If bear puts Tommy Wilcox at qb like he said he would bama would have 21 natties
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