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re: Who deserved the 1980 national championship?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:58 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:58 am to RD Dawg
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Congrats on that run in '90's with those ACC "powerhouses"
1993 National title end of the year ranked wins
#4 UF
#15 Miami
#19 UNC
#23 Clemson
Lost to #2 Notre dame
Bowl game
Beat #1 OU
Nothing weak about that schedule
1999 National Title end of the year ranked wins
#14 Miami
#15 UF
#17 Georgia Tech
Bowl game
Beat #2 Virginia tech
Once again, not really a cupcake season
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:59 am to DawgsLife
I would also argue about Pitt's schedule. Sure, they beat a #5 Penn Stat, but the only other ranked opponent they played was Florida State and they got trucked 36-22 by FSU. (They did play South Carolina in the bowl game who was ranked #18, though)
Pitt really did not become a factor...a BIG factor until 1981.
Pitt really did not become a factor...a BIG factor until 1981.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:01 am to Pdubntrub
Typed all that just to get a downvote.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:01 am to Pdubntrub
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not that any of those teams were bad.
Huh?All were very good and the '82 team was the best team at the end of the regular season.Too bad Dooley was a notoriously bad post season coach.
'83 was another top 5 team (w/out HW) and the schedule included the champions of the ACC (Clemson)SEC Auburn Pac 10 (UCLA) and SWC (Texas)
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:07 am to Pdubntrub
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Not knocking UGA by no stretch, going undefeated in college football at any level is very very hard to do, ask the gators. I'm not saying it is was UGA's choice to play Notre Dame but looking back at it now it was a poor choice by the Sugar Bowl
I agree. There were a lot of poor choices made when it was the bowls decisions. I think the downfall was when they began to have tie-ins with the conferences. It practically ruined the Rose Bowl when the B1G and PAC12 had weaker teams in the same year...or even one or the other had a weak team it hurt them. having a tie-in with two conferences is just dangerous.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:09 am to RD Dawg
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Huh?All were very good and the '82 team was the best team at the end of the regular season.Too bad Dooley was a notoriously bad post season coach.
'83 was another top 5 team (w/out HW) and the schedule included the champions of the ACC (Clemson)SEC Auburn Pac 10 (UCLA) and SWC (Texas)
I agree. But after that we kind of leveled off and only had really good years here and there. Georgia has, as a whole, been consistent, but not really great on a National level consistently.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:11 am to Pdubntrub
I know some people are criticizing you for this thread, but I think it's been interesting to talk about. Every year (or at least most) could be debated this way.
I don't know if you were trying to troll us (I suspect you were) but it was actually kind of interesting to me to take a closer look.
I don't know if you were trying to troll us (I suspect you were) but it was actually kind of interesting to me to take a closer look.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
The ACC was cake walk when FSU joined...they didn't lose conference til almost their 4th season.You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:23 am to RD Dawg
quote:Yes, absolutely
You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC?
FSU averaged playing about 4-5 ranked opponents every regular season
The 90s SEC would not have been different
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:39 am to RD Dawg
quote:End of the year regular season ranked opponents for FSU in the 90s below. Trying to insinuate their run was due to weak schedules is hilarious
The ACC was cake walk when FSU joined...they didn't lose conference til almost their 4th season.You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC?
Lets compare to UGAs regular season run to their title game this year
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:43 am to DawgsLife
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don't know if you were trying to troll us (I suspect you were) but it was actually kind of interesting to me to take a closer look.
No, I read the article and decided to post it here. It's the off season and the 1980 championship debate is better than I realized. I assumed like everyone else it was the year of the dawg
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:51 am to Pdubntrub
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They should've played Pitt in the Sugar Bowl or FSU. FSU and UGA would've been a great game. I think Pitt would've beat them like they did 2 years later. Walker was great but I'd take Marino
True. But remember not only were the selections and tie-ins different then,so were the pay-outs.The Orange could pay more than the Sugar because of their contract with NBC vs the Sugar's contract vs ABC.
Now going into November of 1980 it looked like the Sugar was going to win the lottery. They were on schedule to have #1 Alabama play #2 Notre Dame, or #3 Georgia.Alabama lost and #2 and #3 moved up.Georgia and Lindsey Scott beat Florida and Notre Dame tied 1-8 Georgia Tech ,3-3.
Now, the Fiesta was a year away from joining the New Year's Day bowls and 6 years from being a "big bowl" so to speak.So you still had the Rose with the Big 10 champ vs Pac 10 champ (the Pac 10 had five teams on probation and ineligible for bowls), SWC with Cotton,SEC with Sugar and Big 8 with Orange.
Pittsburgh and Florida State were still independents without a national following. But the Orange wanted Florida State who was third at the time even though they risked a rematch with Nebraska. The Cotton, with 11th ranked Baylor looking to host was looking more to ratings than "the best team available." So, Pitt was going to be left out of the "Big Four- really Big 3."
The Notre Dame-Alabama game which concluded after Georgia won the SEC with a 31-21 win over Auburn was for a berth in the Sugar Bowl. The Sugar had incentives with ABC for ratings and rankings so Pittsburgh was going to get knocked out for Notre Dame and Alabama.
Had Alabama not had fumbled on its two (after a weird exchange of fumbles by both teams) the game might have ended 0-0 and who knows what the Sugar would have done. But Notre Dame won, 7-0 and as Notre Dame they went from 6th to 2nd and the Sugar looked brilliant. But two weeks later Southern Cal smoked Notre Dame, 20-3.
Pittsburgh was #3 and crushed South Carolina in the Gator Bowl. Had Notre Dame upset Georgia, they would have been #1 as Oklahoma edged #2 Florida State, 18-17 in the Orange.
Oddly enough, had Georgia beaten Auburn in 1978 instead of tying them, the Gator very well could have hosted a National Title game between Penn State and Alabama, instead of them playing in the Sugar.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:53 am to RD Dawg
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The ACC was cake walk when FSU joined...they didn't lose conference til almost their 4th season.You actually think they woulda had that run in the SEC
Only people who didn't watch FSU in the 90s would say their success was due to a weak schedule.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:55 am to Pdubntrub
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No, I read the article and decided to post it here.
In that case...
Good choice. I found it interesting and a worthwhile way to spend a few minutes. I wish we had more threads like this instead of the constant troll threads and "Which are the best stadiums/uniforms/etc" threads we get every off season.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:00 am to Pdubntrub
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FSU was probably the best team in 1980
FSU lost to a 3-loss Miami team, 10-9. Miami ended up ranked #18.
I'm sure that hurt their chances, even though an unbeaten UGA had the much weaker schedule. They did, however, win all of them, and nobody else did. So...UGA deserved the title.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:22 am to Pdubntrub
Under the rules of that time Georgia did but I believe it is true they probably would have lost to Pitt and maybe FSU. The bowl tie-ins back then caused the #1 and #2 teams to not meet quite often.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:29 am to Pdubntrub
UGA. Other teams had losses.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:48 pm to Pdubntrub
If bear puts Tommy Wilcox at qb like he said he would bama would have 21 natties
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