re: Which other football program do you see as most similar to yours?

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BAMA - there is no comparable program

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Notre Dame, USC, and Oklahoma would all generally be considered superior to Alabama in terms of overall history.

And don't forget (the way LSU fans did) that simply because a very special coach can bring a little of your old-time glory back for a couple of years that it will last. There is a reason you were so mediocre that you only had won 2 outright SEC championships since 1981 before last year......

And there is a reason why LSU has had back-to-back mediocre seasons the last two years.....

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During the Bryant years... and now... there's nobody like Alabama. For better or worse, whenther we lose or win, the "program" is bigger than anyone in it.

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interesting, first half of your statement seems to say the bear and saban are the things that set bama apart... second half concludes that bama is bigger than any part of the program

bama: wins when they have superior coaches


and when you look back at great runs take note of say OU in the 50s, miami from nowhere to 5 real NCs from the 80s to 01... or even nebraska winning 3 between the four seasons of 94, 95, 96, and 97... there have been a lot of great programs that matched or exceeded bama's good times

btw, none of the above paragraph changes my general opinion that for all time programs bama, usc, and notre dame (in debatable order) are the top three cfb programs of all time... just correcting the dumb part of your post

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We have far more history and tradition than any of those schools. We are a top tier program, and just because there is a perennially dominant program also in our state, that doesn't diminish it.

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You are a cut above those, but, historically you are just middle-of-the-pack in the SEC and in the 20-something range nationally.....one of your fans said it above--like Georgia, you are usually good, but almost never great.......

If you put up the general statistics one would use to measure how good programs have been historically; you would come up with four general tiers.

Alabama
Tennessee

LSU
Georgia
Auburn
Florida

Arkansas
Ole Miss

South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Mississippi State

The only thing we truly lack is some more hardware. We are top fifteen in all time wins I believe, just haven't gotten the breaks on several occasions.

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Alabama



Tennessee

LSU
Florida
Georgia
Auburn

Arkansas
Ole Miss

South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Mississippi State

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Notre Dame, USC, and Oklahoma would all generally be considered superior to Alabama in terms of overall history.

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I think you could make a case for ND being our equal in terms of history, but USC and OU are now a step behind, certainly not superior. Bama and ND both now have 8 modern titles, but unlike ND, we didn't run away from bowl competition at any point in our history.


OU is a peculiar choice though, because we both wear crimson, have an orange little sister rival in state and an orange major out of state rival.

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Number of wins and where that ranks among all teams:

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You can't just base it on number of wins because some schools have played a lot more games than others.

Here is the list that Street and Smith's put out recently that takes into account everything, including rankings, championships, and overall won-loss record, as well as graduation rates.....

It is pretty accurate, in my opinion, if you consider the ENTIRE history of college football and weight each era since 1870 equally, although the Ivy League schools would, of course, drop off the list if you only considered the last 60 years or so (which is considered by most to be the modern era of college football)....

1. Notre Dame
2. USC
3. Oklahoma
4. Alabama
5. Nebraska
6. Michigan
7. Yale
8. Ohio State
9. Texas
10. Princeton
11. Miami (Fla.)
12. Penn State
13. Tennessee
14. Florida State
15. Minnesota
16. Georgia Tech
17. LSU
18. Georgia
19. Pittsburgh
20. Washington
21. Auburn
22. Harvard
23. Texas A&M
24. Michigan State
25. Florida
26. Ole Miss
27. California
28. Colorado
29. Clemson
30. Army
31. UCLA
32. Arkansas
33. Stanford
34. Syracuse
35. BYU
36. Iowa
37. Illinois
38. Maryland
39. TCU
40. Arizona State
41. Pennsylvania
42. North Carolina
43. Wisconsin
44. West Virginia
45. Utah
46. Miami (Ohio)
47. Missouri
48. Texas Tech
49. Boston College
50. North Carolina State

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I think you could make a case for ND being our equal in terms of history, but USC and OU are now a step behind,

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disagree on USC, agree on OU... OU is definitely top ten and probably top five tho (with them and Michigan maybe rounding out the top five)

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NJReb

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these types of "polls" are subjective bullshite. There is only one thing that matters... what happens on the field.

Of the teams steet&smith listed as better programs than Auburn, Auburn has a winning record against 4 of them -- Tennessee, Georgia, Florida State, and Georgia Tech. I'll take actual victories over what some sportswriter thinks.

What happens on the field is the only part that matters... the rest is irrelevant.