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re: Where does JFF rank in the top SEC QB's the last 5 years?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:20 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:20 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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It doesn't have to assume all that. Great players will their win games. We're the losses JFF's fault? Not entirely, no one player is ever at fault.
Could he have done more to win the game? Absolutely there are always missed opportunities, etc. Tebow I can see an argument for JFF ahead. Cam did enough to run the table and win the title with his team, and won the heisman in that year. He is #1
If you are saying that a player must win championships to be great, that assumes that a player is not great if does not win a championship, even if his team wins all but one game, and none of mistakes/missed opportunities were that one player's fault, but the one loss keeps the team out of the championship game.
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Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:26 am to parkjas2001
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Well every NFL GM thinks Cam was and is a better passer than Tim.
Fantastic and I don't disagree with them, but I am pretty sure we are ranking SEC QB play.
This post was edited on 7/12/13 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:28 am to betweenthebara
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I am sure that if you place JFF on the Florida championship teams they still win, and are probably more impressive too.
Highly doubtful, Tebow led the 2008 team to huge 4th quarter wins over #1 Bama and then #1 Oklahoma in back to back championship games. That is not something that is easily replicated.
This post was edited on 7/12/13 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:33 am to bgator85
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Highly doubtful, Tebow led the 2008 team to huge 4th quarter wins over #1 Bama and then #1 Oklahoma in back to back championship games. That is not something that is easily replicated.
Why was Tebow behind in the first place? It must have been his fault to be behind and have to do a come-from-behind to win. Maybe he got lucky.
Don't take that wrong. I am simply illustrating another point. Tebow is a badass.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:36 am to joeyb147
Manziel also missed a good amount of time in the auburn, Mizzou, and MSU game. And missed time in the arky game
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:45 am to WestCoastAg
Have you noticed Arkansas is never on any of these lists? - just sayin'
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:45 am to joeyb147
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An important stat.
Cam accounted for 34 TDs vs. conference foes.
Tim accounted for 33 TDs vs. conference foes.
JFF accounted for 21 TDs vs. conference foes.
This also assumes that JFF was not responsible for getting the team in position to score. How do we know that Cam and Tim didn't just rack up a bunch of TDs in garbage time?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:47 am to KaiserSoze99
quote:Texas Longhorn fan
KaiserSoze99
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:49 am to tigafan89
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Texas Longhorn fan
Not this crap again.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 11:54 am to KaiserSoze99
Just curious, which side of the Jordan LeBron debate are you on?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:00 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
jordan lebron goat
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:04 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:Well, considering Cam Newton had to lead Auburn on a number of comebacks in 2010...you won't have to worry about that. Auburn barely beat South Carolina (first time around), LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Kentucky. Auburn only blew out one SEC team that season, and that was Ole Miss. He did gather a ton of touchdowns against South Carolina in the SEC Championship game, but he was later taken out after the game was out of reach. He never racked up a bunch of touchdowns in garbage time.
How do we know that Cam and Tim didn't just rack up a bunch of TDs in garbage time?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:07 pm to TTsTowel
And that's why that sec TD stat is stupid. We blew out half of the teams we played and manziel missed a good amount of time
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:16 pm to TTsTowel
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Well, considering Cam Newton had to lead Auburn on a number of comebacks in 2010...you won't have to worry about that. Auburn barely beat South Carolina (first time around), LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Kentucky. Auburn only blew out one SEC team that season, and that was Ole Miss. He did gather a ton of touchdowns against South Carolina in the SEC Championship game, but he was later taken out after the game was out of reach. He never racked up a bunch of touchdowns in garbage time.
All of which could indicate that Cam was NOT a good quarterback because he let his teams get into a shootout and got behind. That could indicate that he couldn't seal the deal early, meaning he was less effective. Could it not?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:19 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:No, not exactly. Texas A&M had a much, much easier SEC schedule in 2012 when compared to Auburn in 2010. Auburn 2010 had one of the toughest SEC schedules in recent history. Texas A&M got to play terrible teams in Arkansas, Auburn and Missouri.
And that's why that sec TD stat is stupid
quote:You also played much easier teams. Cam Newton could've put up much better stats had he not have to play such a tough schedule. Not to mention, 34 touchdowns to 21 touchdowns is a huge gap. And Cam Newton's team went undefeated in that timeframe, while Johnny Manziel's team lost 2 games.
We blew out half of the teams we played and manziel missed a good amount of time
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:21 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:Wait, it's Cam Newton's fault that the defense gave up so many points and couldn't stop a nose bleed through the air?
All of which could indicate that Cam was NOT a good quarterback because he let his teams get into a shootout and got behind
What the actual frick?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:23 pm to TTsTowel
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Wait, it's Cam Newton's fault that the defense gave up so many points and couldn't stop a nose bleed through the air?
What the actual frick?
EXACTLY!!!
Thank you for proving my point. The championships argument is logically flawed. (a/k/a bullshite)
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:24 pm to hawgfaninc
Talk to me in 5 years.
A 1 year career does not a career make, for either Cam or Johnny.
Doesn't matter how good 1 year is, just 1 year.
Tebow produced consistently at a very high level for 4 years.
A 1 year career does not a career make, for either Cam or Johnny.
Doesn't matter how good 1 year is, just 1 year.
Tebow produced consistently at a very high level for 4 years.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:31 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:Except that Cam Newton carried a team, that was worse that the team Johnny Manziel played on in 2012, to the National Championship.
The championships argument is logically flawed. (a/k/a bullshite)
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:32 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Just curious, which side of the Jordan LeBron debate are you on?
Jordan, but not because of the number of championships he won, if that's where you are going. I'm also on the Marino side of the Marino/Dilfer argument.
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