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re: When Does The Alabama Dynasty End?

Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:42 am to
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:42 am to
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If you really believe that, then you know absolutely nothing about football. I


No I don't. I was trying to prove my point by creating a subjective opinion that was obvious hyperbole. From a distance... If a team was only up on a Garrett Gilbert lead teasip squad by 3 with 6 to play, especially after he had thrown 4 picks, you could say, "Ohey that team isn't very good." But you can't. You have to go ny results. The manner in which you win a game matters. I was exploiting an example close to the gumps hearts where they could personally identify with not playing your best ball, but still winning, and that's all that matters. Had someone said anything close to that, my point would have been validated under that very reasoning. Had LSU won 100-4 in Tuscaloosa, Alabama wouldn't have played the rematch in January. That's the point I'm trying to make. Same record. Same place in the SEC standings, but a different outcome, even though when it boils down to it, a loss to LSU should have just been a loss to LSU. Regardless of the score.
Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18507 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:42 am to
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UAT loses by 4 touchdowns if Party Boy Dareus hadn't taken him out.


Bitch stood on the sideline clapping. Quit on his team.






Beast








Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10798 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:43 am to
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And it's not like he (Updyke) is really so far away from the rest of the fan base


I'm guessing the percentage of our fans who support Updyke is lower than the percentage of your football players convicted of armed home invasion.

Anyone can make generalizations based off of extreme examples.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:45 am to
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But you can't. You have to go ny results. The manner in which you win a game matters.


*The manner in which you win a game shouldn't matter.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10798 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:49 am to


Man. Nothing says Alabama Football quite like this picture. Jacked up and scarred helmet, I believe one of the numbers was already askew.

I love it. Roll Tide.

Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:50 am to
I was surrounded by teasips screaming my head off for the Tide that game. They were definitely BCS Champs and National Champs that year. Fo sho.
Posted by rednilla
Member since Jun 2009
330 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 12:59 am to
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Grievous Angel


I notice you leave out the idiot who teabagged that LSU fan. And I guarantee you that the number of Alabama fans who support Updyke privately is far greater than the number of Alabama fans who support him publicly.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10798 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 1:06 am to
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I notice you leave out the idiot who teabagged that LSU fan.



Now we're responsible for every drunk fool on Bourbon Street.

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And I guarantee you that the number of Alabama fans who support Updyke privately is far greater than the number of Alabama fans who support him publicly.


I don't know a single one. It's a black eye and embarrassment for UA. I said from the beginning UA Athletics should fund the transplant of full grown replacements as a gesture of good faith.

I do think many AU fans value the mileage they've gotten out of this story more than the trees themselves. Particularly the ones who continue to paper them while they are distressed.

This post was edited on 7/8/12 at 1:07 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 1:11 am to
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Particularly the ones who continue to paper them while they are distressed.


Such a whiny gump argument. Just because the trees are distressed, that doesn't mean Auburn fans can't participate in their tradition. They trees are probably going to die anyway, why would they just let them sit in peace and not enjoy them in their final hours? It's just insecure to try and make it seem like Auburn fans are disrespecting the trees. Silly gump
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10798 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 1:22 am to
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Such a whiny gump argument.



Nothing says whiny like turning tail and running from UTx.

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Just because the trees are distressed, that doesn't mean Auburn fans can't participate in their tradition. They trees are probably going to die anyway, why would they just let them sit in peace and not enjoy them in their final hours? It's just insecure to try and make it seem like Auburn fans are disrespecting the trees. Silly gump



I didn't say disrespecting. If I'm concerned about their survival, I wouldn't do anything to disturb them.

I guess I'm not surprised you find some solidarity with the Auburnites. Give them credit, though, they stand their ground.

They didn't take their toys, like a bitch, somewhere else to play.
This post was edited on 7/8/12 at 1:24 am
Posted by rednilla
Member since Jun 2009
330 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 1:48 am to
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Now we're responsible for every drunk fool on Bourbon Street.


No, you're not, but it is rather indicative of being more than an isolated event. Honestly, I don't have so much problem with that happening, because I understand getting drunk and having too much fun, but the abject arrogance that pours out of Tuscaloosa and the massive superiority complex that goes along with it is what creates a fringe minority that is that far out there.

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I do think many AU fans value the mileage they've gotten out of this story more than the trees themselves. Particularly the ones who continue to paper them while they are distressed.


There is nothing that can be done to save them, and throwing toilet paper isn't going to hurt them any more than they've already been hurt. I have thrown one roll of toilet paper into them since 2010, as a fond farewell, but I am grateful that my nieces and nephews, who did not have the opportunity before last season (oldest is 7), were able to join in the tradition before it is too late. There probably are Auburn fans who value the mileage more than the trees, but those are the same fans who jumped on the bandwagon because of Cam Newton, not the ones who grew up going to Toomer's Corner after every win.

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I don't know a single one.


That is a blatant lie. You may not realize that you know them, but unless you have lived in the UK your entire life, you know some of them.

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It's a black eye and embarrassment for UA.


Which is the entire reason that fans cover their true feelings.

Look, I believe you when you say that you don't and have never thought it was anything but a horrible occurrence, but don't act as if Alabama fans are above wishing that sort of ill on the "cow college" that Bear Bryant would have rather beaten than win the national championship.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 1:53 am to
This thread just proves there's a little ITAT/TideFans in us all.
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19140 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 2:19 am to
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When Does The Alabama Dynasty End?

I don't know but it's probably gonna suck if we ever do win.
Posted by FightinTiga
Pumpkin Center
Member since Feb 2009
20745 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 7:19 am to
Why would any fan of Bama's football program be concerned with any more recognition considering it's storied history of success?
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 7:49 am to
Dynasty = sustained success over a long period of time, including multiple conference and national titles.

Since Bama resurfaced in 2008, they have 1 conference title, 2 national titles, gone 3-1 in bowls, and 48-6 overall. That's a dominant run. But I think you need more hardware for it to count as a dynasty. Win one more natty title and one more conference title in the next 2 years, and I say Dynasty.

Another thing people need to stop doing is comparing college dynasties to professional sports dynasties. It's a different playing field with different rules.

Note: I wouldn't mind calling that run a Dynasty because it means that UF 2006-2009 was a Dynasty that went 48-7, with 2 natty titles, 2 SEC titles and 3-1 in bowls including 3-0 in BCS bowls.

But that was mostly courtesy of the 2006 recruiting class. One Class a dynasty does not make.
This post was edited on 7/8/12 at 7:51 am
Posted by VC
Canton
Member since May 2012
2506 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:12 am to
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What dynasty? Gotta win more than one in a row.


They have won 2 NC's in 20 years, and 1 SEC Championship in 10 + years...lol...the dynasty is in full force.

The sad thing is that they actually believe they are a dynasty now...at least many of them. They don't seem to understand that if during your "dynasty days" you can only win ONE conference championship...you probably aren't yet at dynasty status...lol
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:23 am to
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Lol so if one year a system is put in a scenario where it can't reasonably determine a National Champ, that somehow invalidates the years where it did reasonably determine one? This year was the most unique, and exposed the flaws of the BCS, that doesn't mean it didn't determine a champion in years where subjective metrics couldn't overcome objective results.

Just because you get one defective part off the assembly line, you don't have to recall the whole product line. You just don't give the defective parts a seal of approval and destroy them before getting to market.

I mean even if you don't agree with my stance, you don't have to act like a baby about it.

I don't agree with your opinion because it's stupid and illogical. When you have 120+ teams in a division and no playoff EVERY year contains MASSIVE subjectivity. You think it was fair for #2 and undefeated Utah to not get a shot in 2008? What about TCU a couple years later? AU in 2004? The list goes on and on. There never was and never will be a completely objective way to determine a champion in football unless we expand to a huge playoff, which won't happen. So your whole issue with last year is asinine because it happens on some level EVERY year. Someone who may have been the best didn't get their shot. That's reality...and that's why it's good to be one of the royal bloods of college football where our name and tradition counts for something, unlike your 2nd tier program which Bama will skull-drag all over the field in a few months just to remind you of your pecking order in the college football world.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:25 am to
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They have won 2 NC's in 20 years, and 1 SEC Championship in 10 + years...lol...the dynasty is in full force.

Try again, genius. Consensus national champs in 1992...we have three crystal balls in the past twenty years. Only UF has matched that.

Plus, nobody is saying Bama has been a dynasty the last 20 or even 10 years. We're talking about 2008 to present. Not a dynasty yet, but one title run in the next three years away from it. DWI.
This post was edited on 7/8/12 at 8:29 am
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:29 am to
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ince Bama resurfaced in 2008, they have 1 conference title, 2 national titles, gone 3-1 in bowls, and 48-6 overall. That's a dominant run. But I think you need more hardware for it to count as a dynasty. Win one more natty title and one more conference title in the next 2 years, and I say Dynasty.

Agreed.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:36 am to
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When you have 120+ teams in a division and no playoff EVERY year contains MASSIVE subjectivity.


Not true at all.

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There never was and never will be a completely objective way to determine a champion in football unless we expand to a huge playoff, which won't happen.


Not true either.
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