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re: What's your take on UGA?
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:54 am to HBTD
Posted on 2/16/10 at 11:54 am to HBTD
I've posted this on the Scout SEC board before and the UGA fans said I was full of shite but I still believe it. UGA is soft. I don't know if it is the S&C coach or if Richt isn't pushing them hard enough in the weight room but I don't think most of their players develop physically like other schools who recruit similar talent. The ridiculous amount of injuries that they always seem to have reinforces my beliefs that they aren't getting it done in the weight room. There are players who are self motivated and don't need to be pushed but the majority of college football players do not fit that mold. I hate them with a passion but look no further than Saban at bammer to see what a commitment to the weight room can do for a team. Sure they have recruited lights out over the past few years but the vast majority of their starters have been leftovers from the Shula years. In 2 years they went from being one of the softest teams in the league to the most physical.
This post was edited on 2/16/10 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:00 pm to marshallcotiger
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don't know if it is the S&C coach or if Richt isn't pushing them hard enough in the weight room
Richt would rather take them to the pool to show the team how to do backflips off the high dive.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:01 pm to HBTD
Coach Richt is one of the best in the nation; with 2 SECC's, his overall record, 90-27, (76.9%) especially in away games and his bowl record, 7-2, speaks for itself.
As others have stated, one of Mark's problems has been in hiring weak assistants. Bobo and Martineze did not have sufficient resumes to be OC and DC respectively at a school the caliber of UGA.
Georgia has had a lot more talent on offense than defense in recent years. Hopefully with Grantham at the DC helm we can recruit better on defense and build a more traditionally aggressive Georgia defense.
Having said this, we lost 3 good DL and I am expecting the defense to remain a problem for several seasons until Grantham can get the players needed for a 3-4 scheme.
We still have great potential on offense even with a Freshman QB. Georgia has a solid OL and needs to establish a running game which we were able to do at the end of last season with Ealey and Caleb King. If Murray wins the starting position, look for a lot more mobile/Shockley-like play-book. We have a stable full of good receivers; just need a QB who can get the ball to them anywhere on the field.
As others have stated, one of Mark's problems has been in hiring weak assistants. Bobo and Martineze did not have sufficient resumes to be OC and DC respectively at a school the caliber of UGA.
Georgia has had a lot more talent on offense than defense in recent years. Hopefully with Grantham at the DC helm we can recruit better on defense and build a more traditionally aggressive Georgia defense.
Having said this, we lost 3 good DL and I am expecting the defense to remain a problem for several seasons until Grantham can get the players needed for a 3-4 scheme.
We still have great potential on offense even with a Freshman QB. Georgia has a solid OL and needs to establish a running game which we were able to do at the end of last season with Ealey and Caleb King. If Murray wins the starting position, look for a lot more mobile/Shockley-like play-book. We have a stable full of good receivers; just need a QB who can get the ball to them anywhere on the field.
This post was edited on 2/16/10 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:07 pm to davesdawgs
Saw this on the Dawgrant posted by a UGA fan.
Just some food for thought when talking about Marky and his 90 wins.
Just some food for thought when talking about Marky and his 90 wins.
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We really do not beat the good teams, sorry. And, worse yet, we lose in just inexplicable losses to sorry teams once a year too.
In the Coach Richt Era, we are 3-8 in the 11 games we have played against what ended up being Top 10 SEC Final AP Poll teams.
In the Coach Richt Era, we are 17-19 vs the Top 25 Final AP Poll teams.
In the Coach Richt Era, we have lost 8 times in 9 years against teams Unranked at all in the Final AP Poll Top 25.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:15 pm to HBTD
UGA is in a precarious position with Richt. If they fire him they risk not finding anyone else better. But then again if the timing is right and they open up the checkbook they might land a superstar coach that could really take them above the ceiling they've been at for the longest.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:24 pm to marshallcotiger
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I don't think most of their players develop physically like other schools who recruit similar talent. The ridiculous amount of injuries that they always seem to have reinforces my beliefs that they aren't getting it done in the weight room.
I can't say first hand but I think our strength and conditioning program is pretty good. I think the excessive injuries are primarily due to two factors: lack of specific coaching that teaches players to play smart and recruiting players who are injury prone. Any player who places himself in an awkward position or simply doesn't use sound tackling, etc. techniques is more likely to be injured. I also believe that talent evaluation has been a problem. When you see a lineman like Sturdivant blowing out a knee with no direct contact causing the injury you know you have recruited a player who doesn't have strong enough legs/knees to support his massive size. But as you suggest, this might well be due to lack of conditioning.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:31 pm to attheua
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But then again if the timing is right and they open up the checkbook they might land a superstar coach that could really take them above the ceiling they've been at for the longest.
This is where it gets tricky. It is easy to throw stones at Richt, but if you sat down and derived a list of who's unequivocally better, it is relatively short, and those coaches are at places that would pony up just as much as UGA. Saban isnt leaving Bama's storied tradition for similar money. Meyer, Mack Brown, etc would stay put as well.
If we removed Richt, we would be looking for lightning in a bottle again. More often than not you wish you had what you lost.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:33 pm to HBTD
Mark Richt's biggest problem is that he is inconsistent against the SEC easts 2 best teams.
2-7 against UF
5-4 against UT
that's 7-11 overall.
You aren't going to win the conference too many times when you can't even win your division.
In the last 4 years, Mark Richt is 10-10 against the SEC east.
2-7 against UF
5-4 against UT
that's 7-11 overall.
You aren't going to win the conference too many times when you can't even win your division.
In the last 4 years, Mark Richt is 10-10 against the SEC east.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:37 pm to slayerxing
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Mark Richt's biggest problem is that he is inconsistent against the SEC easts 2 best teams.
2-7 against UF
5-4 against UT
that's 7-11 overall.
You aren't going to win the conference too many times when you can't even win your division.
In the last 4 years, Mark Richt is 10-10 against the SEC east.
Just to add to this:
In the last 4 years:
UF is 19-1 against the SEC east
UT is 14-6 against the SEC east
SC is 8-12 against the SEC east
So in the last 4 years, UGA is just marginally better than South Carolina against eastern opponents.
In that same time frame, UT had TWO LOSING SEASONS, but still preformed better than UGA in the east.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:46 pm to HBTD
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What's your take on UGA?
Richt had success early, but the program has begun to slide some. Still probably #2 in the SEC East, but no longer clearly in that spot--UThug & SC closing in.
His early success may have taken his edge away & caused some complacency. Next couple of years will start to better frame the arguments for & against.
Always questioned whether he can take UGa to the top level--SECCG, sure, but NC game? Not so sure he's the guy to get it done.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:46 pm to slayerxing
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Just to add to this:
In the last 4 years:
UF is 19-1 against the SEC east
UT is 14-6 against the SEC east
SC is 8-12 against the SEC east
So in the last 4 years, UGA is just marginally better than South Carolina against eastern opponents.
In that same time frame, UT had TWO LOSING SEASONS, but still preformed better than UGA in the east.
Yep, this is the most disappointing part of Mark's resume. I can understand the losses to Florida (obviously one of the best teams in the nation with 2 recent NC's) but the embarrassing blowouts against Tennessee have really hurt. All I ask is that our team play competitive in every game and Mark's teams in the last 3 years simply haven't met that standard in too many games. Lack of defense has been the main problem but the offense has contributed mightily by not taking care of the football.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:47 pm to HBTD
I've always like UGA's program. They give the boogs alot of flack and take some of the heat of of Bama. In response to the question on Richt and UGA's direction all I can say is it reminds me of the Tuberville situation at Auburn. His record speaks for itself, but ten years into the job, he started off good, had a good mid career run but as of late the momentum seems to be running out. UGa should NEVER settle for getting thumped by Fl. over and over again, your record against UT lately sucks and they plus Au and Bama are robbing great recruits out of Ga. I know you arent going to get them all due to limitations but with the resources the state of Ga. has there is no excuse for not being the 1st, 2nd or even 3rd best team in the SEC year end year out. Richts firing of the assistants reminds me of Tubbs throwing his assistants under the bus to prolong his stay at AU. Its just a mask to cover up ineptness at the top. Great guy but mediocre coach IMO. If Bama can turn it around in three years with our poor arse state then Ga. should have no problem doing the same. Talent on the team is as good as anyones roster. Once a coach has been somewhere ten years and hasnt won the crystal or even played for it, IMO its time for a shake up. We will see how they do with the new assistants but it seemed a last resort for Richt. I would be disappointed if I were a bulldog fan with the results thus far.
Good luck this season and I hope I'm way off. It just looks like the Tubbs situation replayed over again. Au fans defended him to death until Chiz showed signs of toughness and ability to recruit. They forgot who Tommy is now.
Good luck this season and I hope I'm way off. It just looks like the Tubbs situation replayed over again. Au fans defended him to death until Chiz showed signs of toughness and ability to recruit. They forgot who Tommy is now.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:48 pm to HBTD
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My first post here
Too bad it wasn't your last. STFU and GTFO, GFY, etc...




Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:48 pm to davesdawgs
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but the embarrassing blowouts against Tennessee have really hurt
And they weren't even good UThug teams.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 12:58 pm to Boomski
Richt needs to shore up the defensive side and he will be ok. He is a good coach IMO.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 1:17 pm to Geauxtigers468
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Saw this on the Dawgrant posted by a UGA fan.
Just some food for thought when talking about Marky and his 90 wins.
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We really do not beat the good teams, sorry. And, worse yet, we lose in just inexplicable losses to sorry teams once a year too.
In the Coach Richt Era, we are 3-8 in the 11 games we have played against what ended up being Top 10 SEC Final AP Poll teams.
In the Coach Richt Era, we are 17-19 vs the Top 25 Final AP Poll teams.
In the Coach Richt Era, we have lost 8 times in 9 years against teams Unranked at all in the Final AP Poll Top 25.
Yeah, that's one of my posts over there. My handle on that site is GATA. I actually got my posting privs suspended for heresy. SBJ, the Admin, got sick of me badmouthing Richt and banned me. He has done it a few times now and it usually only last for a day or two until he sobers up and realizes that I didn't violate any of the TOS. Anyway it's his board so more power to him. I am happy to have found a place where I can voice a negative opinion and not get banned.
Don't get me wrong. I bleed Red and Black. I just don't believe in our current leadership. Sort of like I love America, but I wish Obama were not our President. It's pretty easy to get unless you are a drunk irrational Homer Disney Dawg.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 1:18 pm to SEC Ranter
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SEC Ranter
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He is a good coach IMO
After reading a lot of your opinions, This is not a ringing endorsement for Richt.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 1:22 pm to HBTD
The demise of Mark Richt has been greatly exaggerated... with that said, there are a couple things that need to improve to get back to that elite level.
1) Get more physical on both sides of the ball. Grantham and the 3-4 scheme may solve the problem on defense, but UGA needs to get back to the running game mentality that made them a powerhouse under Dooley.
2) Become less reliant on stellar QB play. Richt really had a great run with QBs since he's been in Athens -- Greene, Shockley, and Stafford... that's as good of an 8 year run as any school in the country. But when the talent/experience is lacking, the offense really struggles (2006 and 2009). This gets back to running the ball better... take some of the burden off of your QBs.
3) Get the hell out of Jacksonville. There is no reason this shouldn't be a home-&-home. There's a reason you guys are 17-3 in the last 20.
1) Get more physical on both sides of the ball. Grantham and the 3-4 scheme may solve the problem on defense, but UGA needs to get back to the running game mentality that made them a powerhouse under Dooley.
2) Become less reliant on stellar QB play. Richt really had a great run with QBs since he's been in Athens -- Greene, Shockley, and Stafford... that's as good of an 8 year run as any school in the country. But when the talent/experience is lacking, the offense really struggles (2006 and 2009). This gets back to running the ball better... take some of the burden off of your QBs.
3) Get the hell out of Jacksonville. There is no reason this shouldn't be a home-&-home. There's a reason you guys are 17-3 in the last 20.
Posted on 2/16/10 at 1:29 pm to HBTD
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HBTD
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GATA
Nice, I have agreed with you over there before. Like I said I post over there also just under a different name.


Posted on 2/16/10 at 1:36 pm to lowspark12
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3) Get the hell out of Jacksonville. There is no reason this shouldn't be a home-&-home. There's a reason you guys are 17-3 in the last 20.
Nobody was complaining in the 70s and 80s when UGA dominated the series.

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