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Whats holding USCe and A&M Back?
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:14 pm
It wasn't that long ago that both teams were rising and had stolen all the media attention from their instate rivals. They were both landing top notch recruits as well and quickly the magic disappeared as fast as it had arrived.
Nobody is talking about them at all on the nation stage and they are slowly sliding in the recruitment ratings.
Was A&M success all the legacy of Johnny football?
Was USCe success all Steve Spurrier?
I actually thought they were going to be around for awhile. They are in the most prestigious college football conference and get plenty of exposure playing the Big 6. They both have dedicated fan bases , a lot of money due to the new contract, and top of the line football facilities. Just for a comparison, the only thing Clemson(before the recent title) and Texas have on them is history.
Is history that hard to overcome? If history is that hard to overcome, Did Miami, FSU, and Florida just get lucky?
What the missing component for them to have sustainable successful program like the SEC big 6? On paper it seems like they have everything needed to rise.
Nobody is talking about them at all on the nation stage and they are slowly sliding in the recruitment ratings.
Was A&M success all the legacy of Johnny football?
Was USCe success all Steve Spurrier?
I actually thought they were going to be around for awhile. They are in the most prestigious college football conference and get plenty of exposure playing the Big 6. They both have dedicated fan bases , a lot of money due to the new contract, and top of the line football facilities. Just for a comparison, the only thing Clemson(before the recent title) and Texas have on them is history.
Is history that hard to overcome? If history is that hard to overcome, Did Miami, FSU, and Florida just get lucky?
What the missing component for them to have sustainable successful program like the SEC big 6? On paper it seems like they have everything needed to rise.
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:15 pm to Socratics
A&m was all johnny football and mike evans...you need defense and the uglies upfront in this league
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:16 pm to Socratics
USC lost Spurrier, Clowney, Lattimore, Gilmore etc
TAMU lost Johnny Football
TAMU lost Johnny Football
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:18 pm to Socratics
A&M's 2013 recruiting class and missing out on in-state talent.
South Carolina is having to deal with everyone else poaching talent in their state as well.
It typically always comes down to talent acquisition. You have to be able to recruit at a very high level to be successful in CFB. I think A&M is a lot closer to being atop the SECw than you think and likewise for SCAR in the SECe. There's a ton of parity in the conference right now outside of Tuscaloosa.
South Carolina is having to deal with everyone else poaching talent in their state as well.
It typically always comes down to talent acquisition. You have to be able to recruit at a very high level to be successful in CFB. I think A&M is a lot closer to being atop the SECw than you think and likewise for SCAR in the SECe. There's a ton of parity in the conference right now outside of Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:20 pm to Socratics
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sustainable successful program like the SEC big 6
Well, have they really done much worse than some of the big 6 lately? Truth is, there's 1 and everyone else is chasing them.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:21 pm to Socratics
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Whats holding USCe and A&M Back?
Coaching.
Sumlin is basically dead-man-walking and Muschamp has a small ceiling.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:23 pm to Socratics
One head coach is an offensive coordinator while the other head coach is a defensive coordinator.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:25 pm to Socratics
I'll take off my "Hate SC" hat for a sec and try to be fair...
First they have a very loyal fan base that supports their program regardless of how bad they are...They will fill up Willie B with a 3 win season...They also may be part of the problem. Most big fan bases with bring pitch forks and hot oil to the gates of the AD and boycott games to invoke change.
I do think that with the School being in the City of Columbia, it is a negative. It's just not an endearing city.
I think USC was late to the game in facility upgrades...Now every place has built palaces so they don't stand out....
Academically it's a great school...I have nothing but praise for their academics.
I think the biggest mistake USC made was leaving the ACC. They should have never left the Conference.
I think the program had a chance to be special during the Joe Morrison era when he suddenly died at the young age of 51. The program never really recovered from that until Spurrier came on board.
First they have a very loyal fan base that supports their program regardless of how bad they are...They will fill up Willie B with a 3 win season...They also may be part of the problem. Most big fan bases with bring pitch forks and hot oil to the gates of the AD and boycott games to invoke change.
I do think that with the School being in the City of Columbia, it is a negative. It's just not an endearing city.
I think USC was late to the game in facility upgrades...Now every place has built palaces so they don't stand out....
Academically it's a great school...I have nothing but praise for their academics.
I think the biggest mistake USC made was leaving the ACC. They should have never left the Conference.
I think the program had a chance to be special during the Joe Morrison era when he suddenly died at the young age of 51. The program never really recovered from that until Spurrier came on board.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:26 pm to kbrake37
Pshhh...losing Spurrier was a good thing since he had flat quit recruiting and was more interested in golf. Muschamp and staff are recruiting fools. Spurrier even said yesterday that he has us as the sleeper this year that'll end up surprising teams.
This year starts the return, Soc.
This year starts the return, Soc.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:29 pm to piggilicious
quote:agreed. there is no "big 6". There is a Big One.
Well, have they really done much worse than some of the big 6 lately? Truth is, there's 1 and everyone else is chasing them.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:33 pm to NFLSU
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One head coach is an offensive coordinator while the other head coach is a defensive coordinator.
Which one is Sumlin? Certainly not the offensive coordinator, as he's had one season over his entire coaching career in which he was actually a playcalling offensive coordinator (and that was only 8 games).
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:44 pm to Socratics
It all comes down to coaching (this includes recruiting). A&M isn't consistently great because we don't have consistently great coaching.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:46 pm to Slackaveli
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Well, have they really done much worse than some of the big 6 lately? Truth is, there's 1 and everyone else is chasing them.
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agreed. there is no "big 6". There is a Big One.
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Arkansas fan
SECR Bylaws:
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Article IV
Rule 3.c.: No non-member institution of the Big 6 shall actively take part in defining or redefining of the Big 6
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:53 pm to Farmer1906
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It all comes down to coaching (this includes recruiting). A&M isn't consistently great because we don't have consistently great coaching.
I think it all comes down to this.
(There are three schools that to me have a recruiting advantage - Notre Dame just because of all the damn Catholics, and the two LA schools because SoCal poontang.)
I don't even think your "premier conference" has a big effect.
It's a coach's ability to convince players that he's got something worth buying into and his ability to continue to motivate those players and make good game day decisions.
Anything else is just about preferences about irrelevant shite (close to home? weather? small college town?) that all gets cancelled out.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:55 pm to oman
A&M already recruits at a high enough level to compete with the top teams on occasion. We should win 9 games yearly and have a few break through 11-12 wins years.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:55 pm to Socratics
This could be the Aggies year. Much improved on defense, better OL, and Sumlin finally has his man at QB in Starkel.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:56 pm to BoCam2
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Article IV Rule 3.c.: No non-member institution of the Big 6 shall actively take part in defining or redefining of the Big 6
Don't worry, sugar, I won't try to define or redefine something I think is imaginary anyway.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:00 pm to Mr. Elvert
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This could be the Aggies year. Much improved on defense, better OL, and Sumlin finally has his man at QB in Starkel.
No one should doubt the Aggies' commitment to Starkel Motion.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:01 pm to Socratics
LOL at OP
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:03 pm to Serraneaux
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LOL at OP
Please explain what is funny about OP's post?
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