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re: What did Brandon Miller do wrong?

Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:05 am to
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
22228 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:05 am to
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Cam was a thief who stole a laptop. He was charged and had to go do image rehab for a year at a community college


So had he just delivered the laptop, all would have been ok..... NICE.
Posted by swinetime
Member since Apr 2013
5252 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:08 am to
Yeah and that guy your wife is always hanging out with is just her friend
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3993 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:11 am to
Stay on topic. You are deflecting.
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 7:13 am
Posted by AUreo
Member since Jul 2021
2253 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:23 am to
Bama should have suspended him. However, they desperately want to win games so they are willing to destroy his brand in the process…
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 7:25 am
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6038 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:29 am to
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they desperately want to win games so they are willing to destroy his brand in the process…


Posted by bigtrain333
Member since Oct 2017
310 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 9:39 am to
article from the Montgomery Advertiser..Pamela Woods, Nathaniel's sister, said her brother was at the wrong place at the wrong time. He was arguing with the officers about an alleged warrant for his arrest when Spencer appeared and fired a gun, she said.
Poor guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time just like good kid Brandon. Too bad for him he can't help Alabama win a game though.

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Nathaniel Woods never pulled the trigger, but the accomplice law sent him to death row

By all accounts Nathaniel Woods held no guns and fired no shots the night three Birmingham police officers were killed in 2004, but he was there and thus complicit, according to the state.

His presence at that Ensley apartment is what is sending him to the execution chamber Thursday night, unless a higher authority intervenes. The state's accomplice law is what allowed for Woods to be charged in the first place.

Woods was convicted of capital murder in the shooting deaths of officers Carlos Owen, Harley Chisholm and Charles Bennett in June 2004.

What is the Alabama accomplice law?

FILE - In this Oct. 10, 2005, file photo, Nathaniel Woods watches as the jury enters the courtroom during his murder trial in Birmingham, Ala.
Under Alabama law, code 13A-2-23, a person is legally accountable for the behavior of another person if he or she "procures, induces or causes such other person to commit the offense."

A person can also be charged under the law if he or she aids or abets another person in committing a crime or fails to prevent a crime while having the ability to do so.

Most states have some form of the accomplice law. The law can be used for any crime, though it most often is heard of in instances of fatal shootings.

What the Supreme Court says about the law

The Supreme Court has weighed in on these laws, setting two standards by which states tend to subscribe to in the case of fatal shootings.

Some states require proof of an accomplice's intent to kill, also known at the Enmund Standard, set in 1982 when the Supreme Court ruled Earl Enmund, a getaway driver in a fatal robbery, could not be sentenced to death because he "did not kill, attempt to kill, or intend that a killing take place."

Eight states, including Alabama, only require an element of "reckless disregard for human life," known as the Tison standard. In 1987, the Supreme Court upheld the death penalty for two brothers whose father escaped from prison then killed a family whose car they took. The brothers were present at the time of the slaying. Both the father and a third brother were killed in the manhunt for them.

The court acknowledged that neither brother intended for the family to be killed but they played a “major” role in the prison break and carjacking. If the defendant displayed “reckless disregard for human life” in the course of a felony, the court said, then the death penalty was proportionate even when there was not a clear intent to kill.

In fatal shootings, 27 states allow people who were "non-triggermen" to be executed, according to the ACLU.

There is also a federal statute that allows accomplices to be charged in federal crimes.

The accomplice law in use

In Woods' case, prosecutors successfully argued he "conspired" with the shooter, Kerry Spencer, in killing the officers and was therefore equally culpable in their deaths. Spencer last month told the news outlet The Appeal that Woods was not involved and there "was no plan to kill the police."

More:'Give us time': Family of Nathaniel Woods set for execution makes plea to Gov. Ivey

Prosecutors have not presented any evidence to show that Woods held or fired a gun during the incident.

Pamela Woods, Nathaniel's sister, said her brother was at the wrong place at the wrong time. He was arguing with the officers about an alleged warrant for his arrest when Spencer appeared and fired a gun, she said.

According to court documents, Spencer admitted that he opened fire in a "knee-jerk reaction" when he saw one of the officers holding a gun. Spencer was also convicted and sentenced to death in the killings. His execution date has not yet been set.

Woods' lawyers allege he received negligent legal advice at the time of his trial, when he rejected a plea deal after his trial counsel failed to explain the accomplice law.

More:Lakeith Smith, who got 65 years in accomplice law killing case, has sentence reduced

In 2015, the accomplice law was used to charge four teens when another was shot and killed by police during a foot pursuit following a burglary in Millbrook and an exchange of gunfire.

Three Faulkner University football players in 2016 were indicted on murder charges after a fourth player was killed during a home invasion they all participated in.

Last June, three Montgomery men were charged with murder after two went to a home for a drug transaction that turned deadly. During the transaction two men tried to rob the other two and got into an exchange of gunfire, killing one. The three remaining men were charged.

Contact Montgomery Advertiser reporter Kirsten Fiscus at 334-318-1798 or KFiscus@gannett.com. Follow her on Twitter @KDFiscus
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:08 am to
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Being “on call” to deliver a gun is questionable conduct. Actually delivering the gun in that situation showed a reckless disregard for the safety of others. Others like Harris who would still be alive today if Miller acted more responsibly and with more care toward others. His lack of care was further highlighted by his continued pat down entrance.


What utter fricking stupidity. You do realize that the others already had guns, right? You're such a fricking genius that you can say with certainty that those guns weren't going to be used anyway?

Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:09 am to
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Miles also had been texting Brandon for over an hour to come pick him up. Why didn’t you include that?



Because he's a fricktard, that's why.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:41 am to
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He is at least in violation of bringing a gun onto campus.


So you think the strip is on campus?


He's an idiot. As are many who are quick to pile on with this subject.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:44 am to
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What IS sickening is a black subculture that turns the normal annoyances of life into funerals and incarceration. That’s what is really sick.


But God forbid that any should question this woman's choice of friends and why she chose to be out partying with them instead of being home with her child.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:46 am to
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So you think the strip is on campus?


He never drove his car onto campus huh?

That's pretty weird. Guess he always parked off campus and walked.


Are you really this fricking stupid? Do you actually think Miles kept his gun stored in Miller's car 24/7?

Dumbasses like you really should try to find a couple of brain cells to rub together before you post.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:48 am to
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And leaving the scene and not calling an ambulance or the police.


Miles called 911.

Idiot.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:48 am to
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Dumbasses like you really should try to find a couple of brain cells to rub together before you post.


There's only so many to go around in Lee County.
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
Back Home now
Member since Sep 2006
61365 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:51 am to
I haven’t really followed this story but after reading some of this thread, I was just wondering is it pretty typical these days for college aged kids to all just roll around with loaded weapons? I have a nephew who is a sophomore at Alabama, kid doesn’t even own a gun.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:54 am to
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So Miles was “self defending” the entire time from when he realized he needed the “self defense weapon” to the time Miller drove it all the way to him to the time after it was delivered and he decided to “self defendingly” fire the weapon into a car while the occupants were sitting in the car killing an unarmed woman?



You stupid piece of shite. Miles didn't fire the gun.

Seriously...some of you people are so retarded that it makes one wonder how you can even dress yourselves in the morning.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
16496 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:00 am to
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I haven’t really followed this story but after reading some of this thread, I was just wondering is it pretty typical these days for college aged kids to all just roll around with loaded weapons? I have a nephew who is a sophomore at Alabama, kid doesn’t even own a gun.




Knowing that you really haven't followed the story, is it really normal for all these kids today to normally roll with loaded weapons?

Then we can ponder together if it's normal for millionaires like Ja Morant to be drunk and brandishing a handgun in a nightclub in the wee hours of the morning.

In your research, might I suggest you look under violent games, movies, and TV shows for the answer? It's called American culture and we all reflect it. To one degree or another.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27810 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:01 am to
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Everyone hates Alabama and their fans.


And everyone loves Auburn and their fans, right?

You truly are an idiot.
Posted by Tiger Iron
Middle LA
Member since Apr 2012
2030 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:02 am to
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What did Brandon Miller do wrong?


The fact that you have to ask, says enough about you….
Posted by Tiger Iron
Middle LA
Member since Apr 2012
2030 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:03 am to
Let’s be honest here… If he didn’t play basketball for the University of Alabama… He would’ve been charged with accessory… You know exactly what he did. Stop being a homer for five seconds.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
16496 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:07 am to
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Let’s be honest here… If he didn’t play basketball for the University of Alabama… He would’ve been charged with accessory…


Why don't you be honest for a moment? The police clearly stated that Brandon broke no legal laws. Not ONE media outlet or legal source in this country has come out to deny that fact. Not one.

So the idiot in the room apparently is YOU.
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