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re: "We continue to have guys make poor decisions, you know? It’s very unfortunate." - Kirby
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:20 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:20 pm to djsdawg
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I wouldn’t suddenly think there is a magic wand to keep people driving fast cars slowly.
Holy crap man… I will try just one last time…
The issue at hand is NOT about the speeding actions of a general population. It is about a specific subset. That subset is the players of the University of Georgia at Athens’ football team. The head coach of said team, Kirby Smart, HAS the means, opportunity and authority to take preventative measures to keep this from happening. That head coach is not doing enough because whatever he is doing is NOT working.
Maybe your repeated rapid fire responses to every poster here is just plain old subconscious guilt.
Bye.
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:44 pm to BrounHaller
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The issue at hand is NOT about the speeding actions of a general population. It is about a specific subset. That subset is the players of the University of Georgia at Athens’ football
We all recruit the same kids. They all drive fast cars. That’s the subset.
The main difference is there is a magnifying glass on our program, which isn’t the case anywhere else. We don’t know how many citations other schools have, but I bet it’s a higher number than you think.
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That head coach is not doing enough because whatever he is doing is NOT working
Back to the lack of a magic wand…..if DEATH doesn’t convince the players, nothing the coach does will reach them.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:56 pm to djsdawg
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You don’t think your guys drive their fast cars fast? Really?
Maybe before they transfer from UGA to AU. Many such instances of wayward young men being rehabilitated.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 5:41 pm to djsdawg
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Point is, we wouldn’t have known about his driving issue if he didn’t force the cop to arrest him.
That’s not the point at all. The point is one program is approaching 30 incidents, multiple deaths, multiple DUIs, multiple wrecks, before you even look at non driving incidents, and the rest of the country is seeing the occasional outlier issue that gets addressed.
And you are so naive as to believe a judge would just gloss over the mountain of issues if one of these knuckleheads killed or maimed someone not part of the program, you need to crawl out of your bubble and embrace reality.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 5:56 pm to Smokeyone
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The point is one program is approaching 30 incidents, multiple deaths, multiple DUIs, multiple wrecks, before you even look at non driving incidents, and the rest of the country is seeing the occasional outlier issue that gets addressed.
Since we don't know the numbers elsewhere, due to vastly different reporting standards, we can't safely assume others don't have similar problems. Super speeding things can easily fly under the radar elsewhere, which isn't going to happen at UGA.
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And you are so naive as to believe a judge would just gloss over the mountain of issues if one of these knuckleheads killed or maimed someone not part of the program, you need to crawl out of your bubble and embrace reality.
What is the opposite of "glossing over"? What are you saying a judge would do to UGA if a UGA player, in their own time, in their own car, made a major mistake?
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 6:38 pm to djsdawg
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Since we don't know the numbers elsewhere, due to vastly different reporting standards, we can't safely assume others don't have similar problems.
You don’t believe other towns have public records of arrests? Or you don’t believe other jurisdictions have people looking for arrests? Either way is nonsense. Every major university in this country has people that look at public records and run to the message boards as soon as they recognize a name.
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What is the opposite of "glossing over"? What are you saying a judge would do to UGA if a UGA player, in their own time, in their own car, made a major mistake?
Is a civic case? All evidence that the issues are systemic at UGA and allow a lawyer to go after the coach, the AD, the collective, the university.
You might notice it’s not just saying that the university messed up by not dealing with it early and need to take draconian action to protect themselves now.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 7:16 pm to Smokeyone
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You don’t believe other towns have public records of arrests?
They do, but is everyone combing through them? Maybe not, but If so, probably not like the AJC is.
And you are including traffic tickets, which do go under the radar. Things like that are typically not widely known or looked into elsewhere.
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Is a civic case? All evidence that the issues are systemic at UGA and allow a lawyer to go after the coach, the AD, the collective, the university.
Would be extremely hard to make a good argument to prove UGA’s liability in a private individual matter, and also would be easy to combat that as a defense attorney.
Any ideas that uga isn’t doing a ton to work on these issues within the program, as you and others claim, would be easily disproven.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:12 pm to AHM21
Henry Ruggs is in prison for vehicular homicide.
I hope he can serve his time and then try to teach young men the dangers of driving too fast.
It’s nihilistic to drive that fast on public roads. People die because others go to fast. It’s sad.
Philip Lutzenkirchen is dead because he and his friends got into vehicles drunk. His father has given many seminars to various teams.
Young guys have always done stupid things in vehicles, but young men need to be held accountable and learn from the mistakes of others.
I hope he can serve his time and then try to teach young men the dangers of driving too fast.
It’s nihilistic to drive that fast on public roads. People die because others go to fast. It’s sad.
Philip Lutzenkirchen is dead because he and his friends got into vehicles drunk. His father has given many seminars to various teams.
Young guys have always done stupid things in vehicles, but young men need to be held accountable and learn from the mistakes of others.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:25 pm to djsdawg
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Would be extremely hard to make a good argument to prove UGA’s liability
Ignorance or naivety? Because there is no rational reason a reasonable person would believe this.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:45 pm to Smokeyone
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Ignorance or naivety? Because there is no rational reason a reasonable person would believe this.
Proving liability isn’t always easy. This especially would be one of those times. You would be irrational to think otherwise.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:50 pm to djsdawg
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We all recruit the same kids. They all drive fast cars. That’s the subset.
Then why is there a disproportionate number of athletes from one school getting busted?
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The main difference is there is a magnifying glass on our program, which isn’t the case anywhere else.
On the SECr, everyone is under the microscope. If it was Bama, they would be trolled. Ditto for LSU, Tennessee, and anybody else.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:01 pm to TexasTiger08
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Then why is there a disproportionate number of athletes from one school getting busted?
Could be an issue of increased enforcement by the cops/court system.
Could be an issue of increased scrutiny by the AJC. Maybe both. Some programs don’t have to deal with either
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:12 pm to djsdawg
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Proving liability isn’t always easy
Almost 30 incidents(and counting in a little over 3 years. With very few consequences from UGAs AD or coach. Take the UGA can do no wrong nonsense out of the equation.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:08 pm to AHM21
Posted on 9/19/24 at 5:58 am to Smokeyone
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Is a civic case?
I doubt they drive Civics
Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:15 am to Knowshon5Dolla
Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:17 am to Smokeyone
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Almost 30 incidents(and counting in a little over 3 years. With very few consequences from UGAs AD or coach. Take the UGA can do no wrong nonsense out of the equation.
You seem confused about duties.
It’s the duty of the traffic court system to take care of dangerous drivers, not their employer.
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Almost 30 incidents(and counting in a little over 3 years. With very few consequences from UGAs AD or coach.
Any ideas that uga isn’t doing a ton to work on these issues within the program, as you and others claim, would be easily disproven.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 6:31 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:22 am to Berry4Heisman
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It’s not a coincidence anymore, they have a culture problem
We gone culture that arse in November.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:01 am to TexasTiger08
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On the SECr, everyone is under the microscope. If it was Bama, they would be trolled. Ditto for LSU, Tennessee, and anybody else.
The key difference is that UGA has to deal with being on the perimeter of one of the larger media markets in the US with that city’s primary newspaper being clearly hostile.
That doesn’t excuse the misbehavior by any stretch, but it does magnify the coverage. The AJC has corporately decided over the last couple decades that covering and promoting the “UGA is out of control” concept is good for business.
No other SEC schools have that dynamic, that I’m aware of.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:04 am to Crowknowsbest
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No other SEC schools have that dynamic, that I’m aware of.
Self-awareness is a big deal in life. EQ > IQ
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