re: Walter Payton and Jerry Rice - why didn't they go to Ole Miss or Miss St?

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Jerry Rice got to Grambling in 1981. Wtf are you talking about dude? He wasn’t allowed to play football by his parents until he was a sophomore in high school. I’m sure that’s what cost him scholarships to big schools.
Walter Payton was likely racism. You can’t lump the two together. I advise you read a very important book called “The Boy Who Cried Wolf.” I think you’ll learn a lot.

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I didn't. I especially talked about Walter Payton. You and others are doing the lumping. I would like to suggest some material that could help you with comprehension, but I fear it's much more of a gift than anything else.

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If Rice had gone to State his career path would have been taking over his daddy's brick laying business. State was running the wishbone.

Rice ended up exactly where he needed to be to make him a star receiver. Playing for Archie Gunslinger Cooley in his Satellite Express passing offense with a no huddle and five wide receivers.

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This.

Why didn't Steve McNair go to State or Ole Miss?
Why didn't Doug Williams go to LSU?
Why didn't Michael Strahan go to A&M?
Why didn't Shannon Sharpe go to Clemson?

There are numerous examples of this.

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Jerry Rice got to Grambling in 1981.

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First, Payton, who played his high school football at Columbia and did not play until his junior season of high school. Payton graduated in 1971 — at the cusp of integration. State and Ole Miss — and Southern Miss as well — were all ultra-selective in their recruitment of black football players. Payton was scoring a lot of touchdowns for the Columbia Wildcats. Problem was, as State Ole Miss and USM coaches saw it, he was celebrating his touchdowns far too flamboyantly for their tastes. I know, I know: This sounds really stupid. You can teach a guy to hand the ball to the referee after he scores touchdowns. You can’t necessarily teach him how to have the talent and work ethic to score all those touchdowns.

It was stupid. Blatantly stupid. In one game, Payton scored the last of his six touchdowns by running the last 30 yards or so backwards. Well, that did it. Walter Payton — Walter Freaking Payton! — was not offered by Ole Miss, State or USM, the last of which was 26 miles away from Columbia, a straight shot down Highway 98. Walter Payton – the greatest football player I’ve ever seen – signed with Jackson State over Kansas State.

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Jerry Rice? Jerry, a bricklayer’s son, was the quintessential late bloomer. He grew three or four inches in height, filled out and added a step or two of speed as a senior in high school at tiny BL Moor in Crawford, just outside of Starkville. Although he played high school ball nearly in the shadow of Scott Field, Rice was recruited by only Mississippi Valley and Jackson State, the latter mostly because his older brother had played there.

Rice signed with Valley where Archie Cooley, The Gunslinger, was throwing the ball 50 or 60 times a game when nobody else was. Cooley once said he taught Rice how to run, which was more than a slight exaggeration. Such grace is God-given. But he did teach him how to run pass routes. As far as catching the football, that part was easy as Jerry explained, “When you’ve grown up catching bricks in Mississippi heat, footballs are easy.”

Apparently.

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You're kidding, right? When I was a student at Alabama 1975-79, Alabama didn't even have lights on their baseball field. Why in the ever-loving frick would any of them have gone to Alabama to play baseball?

Not to mention that in that era, the vast majority of top baseball prospects...white, black, green, whatever...went straight to professional baseball from high school.

How old are you, anyway? I'm guessing not old enough to remember seeing any of those guys play.

You started off making a fairly intelligent comment about race...then you went full retard.


I suggested that minorities, of any era, did what they had to do in sports, as in life, when the goalposts were not the same for everyone.

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Like I said...you started off making a rather intelligent remark, then you went full retard.

Furthermore, you tried to act like you actually lived through that era...as many of us did...when clearly you did not.

Questioning why Aaron-Mays-McCovey didn't go play college baseball somewhere...in an era when literally no baseball stars played in college...is just an utterly stupid remark. There's just no other way to put it. When you say stupid shite like that, no one will take you seriously when you say anything else.

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Brett Favre was always interesting to me.

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I saw a documentary covering that. His HS coach (who I think was his dad) wouldn’t let him throw so he was basically just a rushing QB.

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Rice played college from 81 to 84. Bama had their first black QB by then.

I dont think his race was the issue with him going to a more mainstream university.

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It was the bands, man.

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You seem to really be down on the "Deep South" in regards to race relations.

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Because it’s been historically awful.

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No mention of the biggest klan rally ever held in the United States occurring in Trenton, New Jersey.

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I’m not from New Jersey. I’m from MS, so I’m more familiar with its history than irrelevant New Jersey.

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No mention of the largest lynching ever to occur in the United States didn't involve blacks but the victims were Italian-Americans.

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This is a logical fallacy. It has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

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No mention that the Northern States instituted slavery in the U.S. first and practiced it longer than any Southern state.

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The northern states have existed for longer. Also, once again, pointless to the discussion.

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No mention that Jews weren't allowed to attend colleges in the North for decades and decades.

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Jewish people have dealt with their fair share of racism as well. People in Georgia recently elected an anti-Jewish congresswomen. It’s still a thing apparently.
Once again, this is a logical fallacy as it does not relate to the topic of racism against African Americans.

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No mention of MLK saying that the only moment he really felt like he was going to die was one night when he and his fellow marchers were caught out in the streets of Chicago.

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Chicago has had a lot of racism as well. I’m not from there. I’m from Mississippi.

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Don't mention that Jim Crow laws existed everywhere and act like it was only a Southern thing.

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They were more prevalent in the southeast than any other region. Mississippi just got rid of a Jim Crow law.

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No mention of the worst race riots ever occurring in the United States happening in California, over and over again, due to the mistreatment of blacks by whites.

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America has a lot of racists. What’s your point?
Lots of southerners migrated west.

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Don't act like because some people stopped doing some things a decade or so earlier than some other people in some other geographical area that they are somehow morally superior.

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I’m not. The fact that people like you throw these nonsensical arguments around to excuse the fact that southern states still have political leaders going to white supremacist rallies makes you morally inferior. The entire country has racists. This is a southeastern-specific board, so I’m simply staying on topic by discussing it with relation to southeastern sports. I’m sorry your dumbass brain can’t understand English.

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While what you said may be true, can you definitively say that there are no white supremacists in political positions up north?

I think the main argument presented earlier was that Rice and Payton didn’t go to SEC schools because the schools (coaches, fans, etc) were practicing racist policies. Instead of isolating that to those schools, it should be noted that every major university in the country practiced those policies and that the South simply lagged behind.

In a nutshell, that’s all the rebuttal was.

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Nutshells don't hold enough information for brainwashed tools who have been taught that racism only ever existed in the "Deep South".

They need illustrative examples for their brains to be able to parse it out more clearly.

If you have the misfortune to have to speak with anyone under 25 years old, you will find that they have been taught that all people in the United States, except those in the South, were paragons of virtue and angels of mercy in regards to racial equality. It was only those mean, uneducated, backward hicks in the South that disliked blacks and treated them unfairly.

They don't know things like that Josephine Baker, a worldwide superstar celebrated by millions around the world, came back to the United States as late as 1951 from her adopted home of France and couldn't eat at restaurants in NYC.

They honestly believe that racism was "invented" in the South and only ever existed here because Southerners are evil and stupid. It's a revisionist version of history that they have been taught by dishonest educators and it is all they know.

That is why you have literal morons like a Plate Johnson type who seem to get great joy from attempting to shame white Southerners for their racially divided past while seemingly not realizing it wasn't just a "Southern Thing".

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Nutshells don't hold enough information for brainwashed tools who have been taught that racism only ever existed in the "Deep South".

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This is a textbook strawman. None of my posts have ever suggested it. You are quite literally just screaming at the sky.

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If you have the misfortune to have to speak with anyone under 25 years old, you will find that they have been taught that all people in the United States, except those in the South, were paragons of virtue and angels of mercy in regards to racial equality. It was only those mean, uneducated, backward hicks in the South that disliked blacks and treated them unfairly.

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Another strawman. It really seems like you don’t get out much...

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They honestly believe that racism was "invented" in the South

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A lot of flavors of American racism were invented in the south. Denying this is denying basic history.

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That is why you have literal morons like a Plate Johnson type

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Says the guy who lacks basic reading comprehension.

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attempting to shame white Southerners for their racially divided past

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I’ve never done this. Any inference of shaming by you is merely projection on your part.