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Posted on 7/14/09 at 3:27 pm to gatorrocks
Posted on 7/14/09 at 3:27 pm to gatorrocks
What a broke dick thread. I was just wondering if LSU fans still post on this board?
And another thing, what has Saban ever done? Only one MNC?? Puuleease! He'll fail this yr while Meyer wins, again.
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Posted on 7/14/09 at 4:25 pm to El Guapo21
correction, they loss a game early that season
Posted on 7/14/09 at 6:11 pm to G8RnGA
well yea that is a good point. I don't know for sure he will fail. and by fail I mean not live up to what Florida should live up to, like Zook didn't, I guess. I think he'll win but I think without Tebow he is an 8-4 to 9-3 coach .
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:00 pm to wildrebeltime
Wildrebedtime,
I really feel sorry for you. You watch a lot of football but obviously have no understanding of what you are seeing...like a baby staring at the words on a page.
Meyer wins b/c he is the best coach in America. The criteria for best coach in America is as follows:
1. Championships
2. Recruiting
Any other criteria is simply subjective.
The spread option Meyer runs is based on core pro concepts, namely a downhill running game that features counteraction right up the gut. The difference rests with the QB as a run option. This gives the offense a one man advantage in the box and leads to very big plays. Florida is the best rushing team in America for a reason. They out-toughed every team they played including their 4th quarter domination of Alabama and Olahoma. Everything at Florida revolves around toughness at the point of attack. BOTTOM LINE - the S.O. is nothing at all like the run and shoot. Any opinion to the contrary reveals your lack of understanding.
SEC coaches have already figured out how to defend? Really? That is the single most absurd statement I have read on this even more absurd thread.
Florida is not running a pro style offense in '09. The fact that Meyer practices different concepts in the Spring does not mean they are changing their offense. It is simply a sign of just how thorough, thoughtful, and well-rounded his mind is. Besides, what do you know about how much experience a coach needs to run a pro-style attack...or, better yet, what do you now about Coach Addazio's lifetime worth of football experience.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your post is simple crap.
P.S. Your quote at the bottom of the page really destroys your credibility...and it reveals you as a Razorback which also destroys your credibility.
I really feel sorry for you. You watch a lot of football but obviously have no understanding of what you are seeing...like a baby staring at the words on a page.
Meyer wins b/c he is the best coach in America. The criteria for best coach in America is as follows:
1. Championships
2. Recruiting
Any other criteria is simply subjective.
The spread option Meyer runs is based on core pro concepts, namely a downhill running game that features counteraction right up the gut. The difference rests with the QB as a run option. This gives the offense a one man advantage in the box and leads to very big plays. Florida is the best rushing team in America for a reason. They out-toughed every team they played including their 4th quarter domination of Alabama and Olahoma. Everything at Florida revolves around toughness at the point of attack. BOTTOM LINE - the S.O. is nothing at all like the run and shoot. Any opinion to the contrary reveals your lack of understanding.
SEC coaches have already figured out how to defend? Really? That is the single most absurd statement I have read on this even more absurd thread.
Florida is not running a pro style offense in '09. The fact that Meyer practices different concepts in the Spring does not mean they are changing their offense. It is simply a sign of just how thorough, thoughtful, and well-rounded his mind is. Besides, what do you know about how much experience a coach needs to run a pro-style attack...or, better yet, what do you now about Coach Addazio's lifetime worth of football experience.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your post is simple crap.
P.S. Your quote at the bottom of the page really destroys your credibility...and it reveals you as a Razorback which also destroys your credibility.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:27 pm to samit23
Samit23 you are basically piggybacking on everything I am saying. I'm not saying the run and shoot are the same, they are totally different, but they are gimmick offenses that got to a certain level and failed miserably, particularly when it got figured out.
I see 2 big problems going into the future with Meyer;
1. The NFL has came out and said the spread QB does not translate to a successful NFL QB. They are not looking at spread QB's as hard as they were 2,3, 5 years ago b/c of some that were misevaluated and have failed miserably, notably Alex Smith who was Meyer's player. You don't have to be a good NFL QB to be good in college but it seems to me like a national top 5 program like Florida should pride itself on being able to recruit future QB's on the premise that, this is what they do in the NFL. You succeed here, the NFL will take you. You succeed in the S.O. the NFL really don't give a frick anymore. So there you have a situation where a QB that aspires to be in the pro's is not going to want to be in that offense. It may take a few more years before the kids start figuring that out but that day is coming.
2. The same holds scenario holds true with recruiting a couple premier running backs which Florida should always have. Meyer does not use rb's the way the NFL does. Recruits are starting to notice that. I think the reason Ronnie Wingo of St. Louis went to Arkansas instead of homestate Missiouri is b/c of the difference in offense. His mother was pushing him toward MO but he knew they did not properly utilize the RB. They still run the ball similiar to how Meyer does though.
Florida has just as good or better of speed and talent as anyone including Texas, southern Cal and whoever else. I do think if Meyer stuck with it he could still win games. He could beat Texas or Oklahoma who does a similar thing. he couldn't beat southern cal the way they've been the last several years but with Tebow he could beat anyone. But, Tebow is as strong as a mule, a very accurate passer and the best fullback ever to play all rolled in to one. I could beat Tebow in the head with a baseball bat firday night and he'd play that saturday. When Tebow is gone if that philosphy stays the same do not expect the same type of success within the SEC b/c it's a gimmick. I don't like the QB being the main rushing focus of the offense. Pure and simple it's not real football and it's not longterm successful football. Monte Kiffen, Saban, Chavis, Ga's DC, Chizic if he can get any talent, will shread Meyer's to peices when Tebow is gone. I think Meyer will change though.
I see 2 big problems going into the future with Meyer;
1. The NFL has came out and said the spread QB does not translate to a successful NFL QB. They are not looking at spread QB's as hard as they were 2,3, 5 years ago b/c of some that were misevaluated and have failed miserably, notably Alex Smith who was Meyer's player. You don't have to be a good NFL QB to be good in college but it seems to me like a national top 5 program like Florida should pride itself on being able to recruit future QB's on the premise that, this is what they do in the NFL. You succeed here, the NFL will take you. You succeed in the S.O. the NFL really don't give a frick anymore. So there you have a situation where a QB that aspires to be in the pro's is not going to want to be in that offense. It may take a few more years before the kids start figuring that out but that day is coming.
2. The same holds scenario holds true with recruiting a couple premier running backs which Florida should always have. Meyer does not use rb's the way the NFL does. Recruits are starting to notice that. I think the reason Ronnie Wingo of St. Louis went to Arkansas instead of homestate Missiouri is b/c of the difference in offense. His mother was pushing him toward MO but he knew they did not properly utilize the RB. They still run the ball similiar to how Meyer does though.
Florida has just as good or better of speed and talent as anyone including Texas, southern Cal and whoever else. I do think if Meyer stuck with it he could still win games. He could beat Texas or Oklahoma who does a similar thing. he couldn't beat southern cal the way they've been the last several years but with Tebow he could beat anyone. But, Tebow is as strong as a mule, a very accurate passer and the best fullback ever to play all rolled in to one. I could beat Tebow in the head with a baseball bat firday night and he'd play that saturday. When Tebow is gone if that philosphy stays the same do not expect the same type of success within the SEC b/c it's a gimmick. I don't like the QB being the main rushing focus of the offense. Pure and simple it's not real football and it's not longterm successful football. Monte Kiffen, Saban, Chavis, Ga's DC, Chizic if he can get any talent, will shread Meyer's to peices when Tebow is gone. I think Meyer will change though.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:39 pm to wildrebeltime
How do you explain the success at Utah and Bowling Green? I know you're trying your hardest not to look like you're wrong but the facts (and stats) don't support your case.
I'm beginning to think you're Paul Finebaum's protege.
I'm beginning to think you're Paul Finebaum's protege.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:40 pm to gatorrocks
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How do you explain the success at Utah and Bowling Green?
He will say that they weren't prepared to defend the spread. Which is probably the biggest cop out to throw out statistics not in his favor that I've ever seen.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:41 pm to gatorrocks
those conferences and coaches were not built to stop it. They had never seen it before. They are garbage conferences anyway. He's in the SEC now
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:42 pm to wildrebeltime
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those conferences and coaches were not built to stop it. They had never seen it before.
The Spread, the Spread Option, and all of its variants are still able to have success under systems other than Urban Meyer's; and it's been quite some time since its informal inception.
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They are garbage conferences anyway. He's in the SEC now
I've always loved this rationale. He was coaching teams on the relative talent level of the other teams in those conferences. It's not as if he took a team of USC's caliber and went into the MAC and WAC and dominated. He took bad teams and turned them into great teams on their respective levels.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:42 pm to wildrebeltime
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wildrebeltime
I bet you would have said the same thing about Steve Spurrier and his Fun n Gun offense huh?
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:52 pm to tduecen
no b/c they ran prostyle stuff. The passer was not the main runningback
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:53 pm to wildrebeltime
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no b/c they ran prostyle stuff. The passer was not the main runningback
Name an NFL QB who played for spurrier.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:54 pm to wildrebeltime
I must edit this post due to an inaccuracy that it contained.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:55 pm to AesopsGators
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Name an NFL QB who played for spurrier.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:56 pm to wildrebeltime
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wildrebeltime
So then you realize your wrong here?
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no b/c they ran prostyle stuff. The passer was not the main runningback
Since Tebow did not lead Florida in rushing?
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:59 pm to tduecen
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Since Tebow did not lead Florida in rushing?
If you're taking my word for it; I remembered incorrectly from a previous argument I had with him.
After looking it up, I have found that wildrebeltime made the claim that Tebow had more than twice the yards as the next leading rusher for Florida; and that is simply not true. Tom288 corrected him, but for some reason I thought he had shown that Harvin lead Florida in rushing.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/14/09 at 10:02 pm to Ross
Ross my friend you're in an argument you are never going to win. Here is what I want you to do. You are a sharp kid. I realize you want to win brownie points with your forum peers by sticking up for the general consensus of what the majority thinks is correct. The thing is when it comes to X&0 of football I am the only one on this forum that matters. I am the only one that really knows anything (that I know of). So try to impress me with your knowledge, not your argument. B/c there is absolutly no logic in your argument.
2008 Florida Gators
Rushing
through 01/08/20092008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Name Yr Pos G Att Yards Avg. TD Att/G Yards/G
1 Tim Tebow JR QB 14 176 673 3.82 12 12.57 48.07
2 Percy Harvin JR RB 12 70 660 9.43 10 5.83 55.00
3 Chris Rainey FR RB 14 84 652 7.76 4 6.00 46.57
4 Jeffrey Demps FR 14 78
2008 Florida Gators
Rushing
through 01/08/20092008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Name Yr Pos G Att Yards Avg. TD Att/G Yards/G
1 Tim Tebow JR QB 14 176 673 3.82 12 12.57 48.07
2 Percy Harvin JR RB 12 70 660 9.43 10 5.83 55.00
3 Chris Rainey FR RB 14 84 652 7.76 4 6.00 46.57
4 Jeffrey Demps FR 14 78
Posted on 7/14/09 at 10:02 pm to tduecen
In 06 When they won NC
Florida ran 875 plays for 5546 yards
Tebow accounted for 122 plays for 827 yards
So 7% of Florida's Total Plays and 6.7% of total yards. Yet he made them win the NC Game?
Florida ran 875 plays for 5546 yards
Tebow accounted for 122 plays for 827 yards
So 7% of Florida's Total Plays and 6.7% of total yards. Yet he made them win the NC Game?
Posted on 7/14/09 at 10:03 pm to wildrebeltime
That post was not needed. I noticed the flaw in my argument and corrected it.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 10:05 pm to wildrebeltime
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The thing is when it comes to X&0 of football I am the only one on this forum that matters. I am the only one that really knows anything (that I know of).
Oh really? If you are so bold; why don't you make a condensed version of your argument and present it to the More Sports Board and carry on your argument there. I'll proceed to continue our discussion on that board if you would like to continue. You will find that most of the people on that board are "sharp", and none of them will agree with your assertion that Meyer is a horrible head coach.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 10:06 pm
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