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re: UNC would do well with Dan Mullen
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:40 pm to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:40 pm to TheCheshireHog
How is that a homer statement? UNC is not a football school and has no football history. So being in the SEC is much better even if you finish 5th in your division(15th ranked at the end of the season but whatever)
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:41 pm to TheCheshireHog
You mention money yet State is building a football facility that will likely best any in the ACC(over $20mil) and is working on stadium expansion. Mullen's salary has bumped up to 3mil with incentives. It doesn't seem like money is a factor for Mullen's stay at State right now. Recruiting grounds may be a different story and yet NC is pretty weak in that area with a dozen schools dipping their hands in. Do you want me to continue?
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:43 pm to TheCheshireHog
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UNC has the money to burn on building their program which they were trying to do with Davis and is in a relatively weak ACC.
Speaking of this may I add that Davis brought in BIG TIME RECRUITS and recruiting classes including multiple 5 star players and still never won more than 8 games while playing in the ACC.
I also highly doubt that UNC is going to throw out the money for a new Head Coach. I doubt the next coach makes anywhere near as much as Dan Mullen.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:44 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
They obviously paid for those recruits.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:45 pm to NIH
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They obviously paid for those recruits.
And what did the Marvin Austins, Greg Littles, and other 4 and 5 star recruits do for Butch Davis and North Carolina.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:46 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
The only thing naysayers will bring out of your post will be that UNC can get 5 star players. State cant do that 
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:50 pm to NIH
Yes please because you can talk until your blue in the face but its not a better job than UNC. Do you think that UNC isn't working on their facilities too? Do you not think a school whose athletic department's budget is drastically bigger than MSU's can't pay $3 million as well? Do you think that they are incapable of recruiting outside of North Carolina?
Would you rather be at the 5th best job in the ACC or the 9th best job in the SEC?
If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't be blown away if an Arkansas coach left to go to UNC. It would be a much easier place to win. You don't have to play LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Florida and UGA year in and year out. Some coaches would rather win big than go 8-4 every year and have job security.
Would you rather be at the 5th best job in the ACC or the 9th best job in the SEC?
If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't be blown away if an Arkansas coach left to go to UNC. It would be a much easier place to win. You don't have to play LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Florida and UGA year in and year out. Some coaches would rather win big than go 8-4 every year and have job security.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:50 pm to Whereisomaha
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You're right Coonass, its amazing how many fans of other SEC schools are dying to get Dan Mullen out of Starkville.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:51 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Speaking of this may I add that Davis brought in BIG TIME RECRUITS and recruiting classes including multiple 5 star players and still never won more than 8 games while playing in the ACC.
Maybe he just didn't have a good enough staff? Whose to say the next staff won't win with all the talent they have on hand? Mullen seemed to do pretty well with Crooms recruits. Just imagine what he could do with what on paper is considerably more talent than MSU had when he started.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:55 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Do you think that UNC isn't working on their facilities too?
ACC schools don't have the same committment to facilities that SEC schools have. Especially an athletic program that prides itself in being a premier basketball school.
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Do you not think a school whose athletic department's budget is drastically bigger than MSU's can't pay $3 million as well?
is their budget much bigger because of basketball or football? If you're correct and the gap for football is only 7 million that isn't much considering North Carolina has a bigger corporate background than perhaps any SEC state outside of Florida. Mississippi is the smallest and poorest state in the south.
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Do you think that they are incapable of
recruiting outside of North Carolina?
With probation and sanctions, most likely not.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:56 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Some coaches would rather win big than go 8-4 every year and have job security.
And North Carolina hasn't won more than 8 games in the past 15 years. What makes you think its SOOOOOO easy for teams to WIN BIG at UNC? They win when mack Brown was there but that was before Miami, Boston College, and Va Tech joined the ACC.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:59 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
He doesn't believe in what he is posting...I've noticed a pattern of 2-3 Hog posters and their constant flaming of MSU. I find it pretty odd.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:00 am to NIH
Have I not thrown out some facts NIH? You would seem to think that somebody would agree.
And to make note Im not saying State is a better job, just that they are very close and that UNC is not a high profile job especially with them about to go on probation.
And to make note Im not saying State is a better job, just that they are very close and that UNC is not a high profile job especially with them about to go on probation.
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 12:03 am
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:01 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
I agree. UNC is a mid tier job, certainly not the elite type of shot Mullen is looking for if he were to leave State.
Fwiw...Here's just a bit of info for my Rebel friends. Assume Mullen is leaving in the next few years, Scott Stricklin's 1st call will likely be to Rich Rodriguez who he is friendly with. A guy like Rich Rod will most likely not get another shot at a big time job and could be the type of coach to stay at State for a decade. Imagine a decade of getting your pants pulled down every November. Not pretty, is it?
Fwiw...Here's just a bit of info for my Rebel friends. Assume Mullen is leaving in the next few years, Scott Stricklin's 1st call will likely be to Rich Rodriguez who he is friendly with. A guy like Rich Rod will most likely not get another shot at a big time job and could be the type of coach to stay at State for a decade. Imagine a decade of getting your pants pulled down every November. Not pretty, is it?
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 12:03 am
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:01 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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not saying State is a better job, just that they are very close and that UNC is not a high profile job.
state off probation is clearly better than NC on probation.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:03 am to NIH
I believe exactly what I'm posting. Their operating expenses for 2009-2010 was $72 million vs $36 million for MSU. They can spend the money for a good program if they want. They spent $8 million more on football than basketball so it's not like basketball is their main priority like most would believe..
I'm not claiming they will win a national title and like I said it wouldn't suprise me if an Arkansas coach went there. I am just saying that the 5th best job in the ACC is better than the 9th best job in the SEC.
I'm not claiming they will win a national title and like I said it wouldn't suprise me if an Arkansas coach went there. I am just saying that the 5th best job in the ACC is better than the 9th best job in the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 12:04 am
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:06 am to TheCheshireHog
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. They can spend the money for a good program if they want. They spent $8 million more on football than basketball so it's not like basketball is their main priority like most would believe..
That's common sense...your expenses for a 60,000 seat stadium, 85 scholarship players, away tickets, clean up, concessions, etc. will be much larger than that of a facility holding 20k or less and 15 players on scholarship. Again, point to how money is a problem at State. Mullen is getting brand new facilities...a top 25 salary. There isn't much left to do unless give him a Saban esque salary which is ridiculous.
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I am just saying that the 5th best job in the ACC is better than the 9th best job in the SEC.
No. No, it's not.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:09 am to TheCheshireHog
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5th best job in the ACC
I'm not sure UNC is the 5th best job in the ACC
1. Florida State
2. Virginia Tech
3. Miami
4. Clemson
5. Georgia Tech
6. Boston College (has won TONS more than UNC)
7. NC State
8. Maryland has had Five 9+ wins in the past 10 years
I can see UNC anywhere between 5 and 8 its not done anything to be considered the 5th best ACC team. It has never even played in the ACC title game and Wake Forest, Boston College and Ga Tech have.
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 12:15 am
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:11 am to NIH
How is it not? For a coach that wants a legit shot at a national title then the ACC is a better spot to do it than at ANY of the school outside of the Big 6 in the SEC. I am including Arkansas in this arguement so you don't think I am just flaming MSU.
UNC has the money to win if they want to dedicate themselves to their football program. Butch Davis proved you can recruit there now you just need a coach that is capable of winning. If you will remember, outside of 1 season, Davis wasn't wildly successful at Miami either. Coker came in and won with Davis' players. The same thing could happen at UNC if they don't get raped.
UNC has the money to win if they want to dedicate themselves to their football program. Butch Davis proved you can recruit there now you just need a coach that is capable of winning. If you will remember, outside of 1 season, Davis wasn't wildly successful at Miami either. Coker came in and won with Davis' players. The same thing could happen at UNC if they don't get raped.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:12 am to TheCheshireHog
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