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re: Top 3 RBs production wise this season

Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:23 pm to
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1,100 in 2009 to about 1,800 in 2010.


Way off. 2,400 in 2010, and 1,500 in 2009.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:24 pm to
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Ridley played a bowl game as a starter in 09 for injured Charles Scott and Keiland Williams


Does that really make him "proven" to you?
Posted by bpfergu
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:26 pm to
Ohh somebody is getting angry.

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Good lord you are dumb.

1.) Dyer WILL have over 200 carries this year. He was a TRFR and had less than 10 carries in 6 out of the 14 games.

2.)Since he WILL have more carries, your more 'productive' argument from last season has absolutely ZERO to do with this upcoming year. But if you're going to do it, at least add in YPC in the discussion. Why someone would bring up last year to forecast the upcoming year with Auburn, and the offense, should jump out the window and do the whole world a favor.


Everything from last year has absolutely zero to do with this upcoming year. It's all speculation. That being said, if you are going to pull out stats from last season such as yards/carry, make sure that they favor your guy before throwing them at me.

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3.) I didn't say the same with the OLine. Try to keep up, junior.

Sharing runs with a heisman winner - check
More carries - check
Unknown QB - check


You can't say they are the same and completely ignore their o-lines. That will play a HUGE part in their run productivity.

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3.) Thank god you are not an offensive coordinator. So Auburn will have 3 new starters on the OLine and your brilliant solution is to throw MORE. You do know pass blocking is more difficult than run blocking, right? Yes, you are completely wrong. 100%. You couldn't be MORE wrong. Malzahn has ALWAYS been at least 50/50 with pass/run. And more along the lines of 40/60.

2006 - 36/64
2007 - 50/50
2008 - 39/61
2009 - 40/60
2010 - 31/69

Apparently, you haven't seen anything.


Haha you are getting so angry right now. It's really cute.

I think that Auburn is going to have to rely on short passes in the open field with some deep balls mixed in with runs to the outside to move the ball very well this coming year. I just don't think their o-line is going to be very good at opening holes for power runners like Dyer to punch through. Funny how you go on a tangent about how previous statistics can't be applied to this coming year, yet you pull out the pass/run ratio from previous years to try to prove a point. Oh the irony.

Oh, and I completely disagree. If I have a weak O-line then I am wanting to to get the ball outside and try to win the yardage game by speed, agility, and good one on one blocking. This is just my opinion and neither one of us are offensive coordinators, so save your arbitrary chest-beating for someone who actually values your opinion.

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5.) I never said Mallett took more pressure off than Cam. But you tried to act like Mallett took absolutely zero pressure of the run game which is a load of bullshite.


I never said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. I was responding to the statement that Knile's "numbers were inflated as much, if not more than Dyer's" because of Mallett being the QB in comparison to Cam. I absolutely disagree with this because one of those QBs was almost exclusively a passer and the other was a deadly dual-threat.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 4:27 pm
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:28 pm to
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Does that really make him "proven" to you?


It makes him experienced against tough competition on a horrible playing field.

Ridley had 3 backs ahead of him in 09. 2 seniors and a junior. All 3 were injured during the season leaving him and Holiday as the only available backs.

Why does it have to be a certain number of yards to be proven? Who sets that number? It's idiotic to argue. Finishing a Big game environment such as a Bowl game as a starter is proven IMO.
Posted by audodger
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:30 pm to
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I just don't think their o-line is going to be very good at opening holes for power runners like Dyer to punch through.


Dyer is powerful for his size, but he can fly, too. He's easily the fastest of the backs in discussion.
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:30 pm to
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can. He did a pretty good job of it as a true freshman in the SEC


That was NOT handling the load. Newton handled the load of the carries.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 4:31 pm
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:34 pm to
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It makes him experienced against tough competition on a horrible playing field.


One game, memphis. ONE GAME.

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Ridley had 3 backs ahead of him in 09. 2 seniors and a junior. All 3 were injured during the season leaving him and Holiday as the only available backs.


Well, okay.

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Why does it have to be a certain number of yards to be proven? Who sets that number? It's idiotic to argue. Finishing a Big game environment such as a Bowl game as a starter is proven IMO


Because playing time is the only future reference for a running back being "proven". You can't just go out there, play for one game, and then be called a "proven" running back. Mario Fannin wasn't even considered a proven running back after being here 4 years before his shot his senior season.
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:39 pm to
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Because playing time is the only future reference for a running back being "proven". You can't just go out there, play for one game, and then be called a "proven" running back. Mario Fannin wasn't even considered a proven running back after being here 4 years before his shot his senior season.


Was he ever the starter before this past year?
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 4:40 pm
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:40 pm to
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That was NOT handling the load. Newton handled the load of the carries.


Dyer had 182 carries, and Poole had 204 carries for Tennessee. That's only a difference of 22 carries. Keep in mind, Dyer only had 6 rushes against Arky, 4 against Chattanooga, and 7 aganst UL-Monroe. He could've easily gotten over 200 carries for the season, and that's a pretty good amount.
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:42 pm to
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TTsTowel






SUP!
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:45 pm to
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Was he ever the starter before this past year?


He started 7 times in 2009. In 2008, he had 3 starts. The thing is, he was a WR in those 2 seasons. In 2007 and 2010, he was a RB. He finished his career like this:

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CAREER -- Became 35th player in AU history to rush for 1,000 yards ... AU career leader in receptions and receiving yards by a running back ... 10th-place in AU career receptions (97) ... Has nine career receiving TD's, averaging 36.7 yards per scoring catch ... Is 9th in AU history in all-purpose yards (3,290) ... 29th in AU history in rushing yardage (1,366).


Dude had 1,300 rushing yards in his career, and still not a "proven" back, IMO.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:45 pm to
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taylormade


Waddup bitch
Posted by joeyb147
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:47 pm to
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Ohh somebody is getting angry.


Not really.

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That being said, if you are going to pull out stats from last season such as yards/carry, make sure that they favor your guy before throwing them at me.


Sure buddy. Now can you point me to my post that says Dyer > Davis?

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Funny how you go on a tangent about how previous statistics can't be applied to this coming year, yet you pull out the pass/run ratio from previous years to try to prove a point. Oh the irony.




I didn't think you could miss the entire point of that. Here, I'll help you out.
Gus Malzahn has barely changed his philosophy since joining the college game. 4 out of 5 years he has a pass/run ratio of 40/60 or higher. With different players, and with different teams.
That isn't going to change. However, how he distributes those carries will. Instead of Cameron Newton leading the team in rushing attempts, Michael Dyer will unless injured.

You got all that? Did you follow how Malzahn's philosophies will remain constant, like they have at every stop he's had at the collegiate level? Even with different players? Different teams? But instead of the QB leading the team in rushing (only in 2010 for Malzahn), the RB will?

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Oh, and I completely disagree. If I have a weak O-line then I am wanting to to get the ball outside and try to win the yardage game by speed, agility, and good one on one blocking.


One-on-one blocking? You honestly think that sitting back on your feet and letting experienced SEC DT's go after you, instead of putting your head down and hitting them is better? Not to mention blitz pick-ups which you completely ignored. Yeah, I want to throw FR out to pick up blitzes, call audibles, instead of designed running plays. Hence, why run blocking is easier than pass blocking.

Well you're the only one who thinks this way. Congrats.
Posted by NawlinsTigah270
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:52 pm to
Ware will be top 3 without a doubt

Last year Ridley, who is not nearly as talented as Ware, had more rushing yards than Ingram, Richardson, and Dyer. His YPC and total yards were also almost identical to Lattimore. If we actually have a passing game this year, Ware could easily be the SEC's leading rusher.
Posted by Ray Penpillage
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:54 pm to
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Ware will be top 3 without a doubt


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Ware could easily be injured
Posted by NawlinsTigah270
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:55 pm to
Injuries are just as likely for anybody else getting the majority of the carries. It's not like Ware has a history of injuries or something
Posted by Ray Penpillage
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:56 pm to
just saying it's not a given he'll be top 3
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:04 pm to
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Ingram, Richardson


They shared the rock nearly 60/40, of course Ridley would have more yards than them. he didn't share with anyone (according to memphis).

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and Dyer


Dyer shared with Fannin (400 yards), O-MAC (800 yards), and Cam Newton (1,500 yards). He should've had more yards than Dyer.

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If we actually have a passing game this year


Won't happen unless Mettenberger is the starter. Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson have no hope.
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 8:01 pm to
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Waddup bitch


What language you have...

Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 8:35 pm to
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I understand that Ware had a great bowl game, and he should be a good one, but Dyer was MVP of the BCS National Championship game and smashed Auburn's freshman rushing record. I'm not sure how you can put Ware ahead of him.


Ware has an OL.
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