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re: Tony Barbee has been fired

Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:51 am to
Posted by AUBorn
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:51 am to
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Auburn doesn't need a recruiter, they need a guy who can develop the talent he can get and adjust his style of play to that talent or has a style of play that best fits the talent available in the recruiting region for Auburn
Totally agree. We need an X's and O's guy who can spot overlooked players who fit his system. We aren't going to get any 4* and 5* players until we have multiple years of success.
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:52 am to
Unless Charles becomes our coach
Posted by Auburntiger
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:53 am to
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Posted by AUBorn
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:56 am to
And make Chuck Person the assistant coach. Charles is the flash, Chuck is the brains. Bring back the best of the 80's.
Posted by joeyb147
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:56 am to
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The point-you'll always be API!!!!!!!!!
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:57 am to
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I remember when it was API, do you?


Lulz...old fricker.
Posted by AUBorn
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:57 am to
Bammers always live in the past.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:58 am to
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Totally agree. We need an X's and O's guy who can spot overlooked players who fit his system. We aren't going to get any 4* and 5* players until we have multiple years of success.


X's and O's is over-rated in basketball, most of the guys who are said to be x's and o's whizzes are exactly the type of coach Auburn doesn't need. They generally play slow methodical sets that require a high basketball IQ of their players. It is also important for them to be able to out muscle front courts.

Bobby Knight would be said to be a "bad" x's and o's coach because he ran an offense not sets. He focused on fundamentals which are more important than drawing up plays, as well as making good basketball decisions on the court. Running an offense allows players to react instead of think, the south is full of athletes who can play if allowed to be in a system that flows and allows them to "just play". Up north the players are not as athletic so they have had to learn to out think/ out smart their opponent to make up the physical disadvantages. Its a matter of race horses and plow horses, they have plow horses, we have race horses, don't ask one to do what the other is best at.

It won't happen, but Northwestern St's HC would be a great get for several SEC programs, yes he is older, but he could groom a replacement that if hired would add continuity to the program.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:58 am to
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Another failed Jay Jacobs guy.

He better hope the football program doesn't nosedive again.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:17 am to
BTW: TO give a visual example of what I'm talking about as far as style of play needed for the SEC.

Turn on ESPN and watch Florida St. The players on their team was available to every SEC team, equal/better players are likely at these programs, but it is all in how you use them.

Take Tennessee, easily a 5+ seed lock if Martin wasn't trying to make race horses into plow horses as an example.
Posted by AUBorn
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:25 am to
Maybe x's and o's was the wrong way to say it. My bbal IQ ain't high, but I love to watch them play when they are competitive. What you describe is Sonny Smith from the 80's. He had good in bounds plays ready to call in late game situations, but otherwise he let the players play in a general system, with him making the right substitutions to match up with the other team.
Posted by Hawgeye
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:30 am to
Auburn is in a good recruiting spot. They can raid the heck out of Atlanta with the right guy. Solid players come out of Alabama all the time as well.

No reason that program can't be a solid one.

Get a coach who gets up and down the floor that let's his players play. Run baby run. Screw trying to play in sets and scoring 50-60 a game.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:34 am to
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Maybe x's and o's was the wrong way to say it. My bbal IQ ain't high, but I love to watch them play when they are competitive. What you describe is Sonny Smith from the 80's. He had good in bounds plays ready to call in late game situations, but otherwise he let the players play in a general system, with him making the right substitutions to match up with the other team


The sets didn't become popular until here recently. Sets were usually used in BLOB plays or late game situations for a set shot in a close game. (designed to get an open 2 or 3 depending on the situation) Coaches who draw up sets are said to be X's and O's coaches, while coaches who coach offensive systems are said to be lacking in X's and O's. This isn't necessarily true as far as the stereo type.

You see the sets in the NBA more so along with a bastardized version of the beautiful Princeton offense. Teams that runs sets you have 2-3 guys standing around watching at any time, the play is usually only ran on one side of the court. If a team has great shooters or ISO players, it is OK to great to watch (why it works in the NBA), with the lack of shooters coming up, the amount of players leaving school early and not developing into good shooters while on campus, most of these teams end up playing a bad, boring style of basketball as a result, it is hurting college basketball as a whole, a deterioration of fundamentals and knowledge to play fundamentally sound basketball.

Honestly, you hear about the scouting of opponents and some of these coaches trying to make the game similar to football in preparing for an opponent and it is really a waste of time. You need to know who the teams scorers are, what they like to do offensively and defensively, but other than that it is just basketball, there isn't anything a coach can draw up or have his team run that you haven't seen before you reach the high school level as a player.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:37 am to
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Auburn is in a good recruiting spot. They can raid the heck out of Atlanta with the right guy. Solid players come out of Alabama all the time as well.

No reason that program can't be a solid one.

Get a coach who gets up and down the floor that let's his players play. Run baby run. Screw trying to play in sets and scoring 50-60 a game.


Besides Atlanta, Birmingham is high under-rated in the solid 4 year players that it produces.

McDonald's AAs can go anywhere in the country, unless there is some previous tie to the program or coach, they are not likely to end up at 90% of the SEC programs.

Developing guys who will be there 4 years leads to very solid teams build around a core of Juniors and Seniors, experience will trump talent in the majority of the games and this is one reason why so many mid-majors have become solid annual tourney programs.
Posted by CoonassBulldog
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:37 am to
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He is a slimy snake that could sell any kid on coming to Stark-Vegas in his hey day and I'll still feel that way for all the kids he stole away from UAB and Bama whether AU even gets him or not.

He'd have AU relevant and easily competing in the SEC West inside of 3 years with his ridiculous connections in this state and nastiness against Grant and Haase on the trail.



Standsbury only made 2 NCAA's in his last 7 years as State coach- and one of those was a team that won the SEC Tourney and had no chance outside of that.

I hope like hell ya'll hire him- his time has passed
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:38 am to
Wow. A decent post about AU by an Arky poster.....
Posted by wartiger2004
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:47 am to
I know it's weird.
Posted by AUBorn
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:49 am to
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build around a core of Juniors and Seniors, experience will trump talent in the majority of the games
Solid point. Barbee signed 21 players, only 9 of which are on the current roster, 5 in their first year. When we did win this year, it was solely because of two seniors. Barbee's biggest problem is he couldn't retain players.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:53 am to
I'm wondering if someone else got a hold of denton's password.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:54 am to
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Solid point. Barbee signed 21 players, only 9 of which are on the current roster, 5 in their first year. When we did win this year, it was solely because of two seniors. Barbee's biggest problem is he couldn't retain players.


Pelphrey signed 30+ players during his 4 years here, he left with another recruiting class of 5+ set to come in.

So, he literally had a new roster every year he was here, there is little chance to be consistently good while recruiting like that unless you are recruiting the same caliber of player as Kentucky. Kentucky is the only SEC team capable of recruiting to that level, even Florida relies on veteran leadership within their team.

Sorry, but all the realistic names coming out for Auburn are severely disappointing because it is unlikely any of them will improve Auburn and thus help improve the level of play in the SEC. Hopefully its just the talking heads pimping their coaching friends and Auburn will pull off a solid hire.
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